Quinto vs conga

[109-1176549166]

Yes I am beginning percussionist. with some really nice congas coming! :p LOL

vinnieL,

Hey, nothing wrong with that, as long as you have the bucks! Congratulations! I'm very happy for you!

[ABAKUA]

Within Afro Cuban / Latin genres, call me old fashioned, whatever..
A quinto has no place within marcha etc.
Quinto is for repicando (riffing/soloing) in a guaguanco, comparsa etc etc etc..

I cannot stand it and makes my hair stand on ends when I see/hear a conguero using a quinto tuned way up high within a band/marcha situation, playing tumbao/marcha hate it.

For marcha etc, its Conga/Tres Golpes and Tumbadora.
If using 3, I use 1 conga and 2 tumbadoras. Or 1 conga, 1 tumba and 1 super tumba.

Failing that, I use one conga in centre, one conga (tuned as tumba) to my right and a tumba to my left as the lowest pitched drum (lower than the tumba but higher pitched than an Iya typed low note.)


Changuito, Anga, Giovanni, I could go on and on and on, all share the same opinion.(regarding a quinto in afro cuban style bands) A quinto is for soloing etc..

Now if you play in funk, pop, reggae, church, *insert generic non afro cuban genre* bands, then you can do whatever you want, that has no name.

I was taught authentic afro cuban rumbero schooling, I pass this on to my students also.



Edited By ABAKUA on 1187778132

[vinnieL]

Manny,

In reality my playing cannot even begin to do those drums justice that will take time. Ordering them has been a big financial sacrifice as I go to school,pay child support etc. But getting personal I haven't taken a vacation in 12 years. After my divorce I dedicated a lot of time and money to give my daughter the best I could while her Mother was out partying etc. My daughter is now 16 and she's straight A's and is dual enrolled High school/college she has a chance to finish high school with a 5.0 because of her honors classes. Ive tried to be the best for her and in doing so Ive had no life or extra money. But it's paying off! my daughter will be better than me. Now for me this was my gift to myself and after returning a less expensive set back to the store I ordered my Isla's after talking to Charlie and Mario. I'm only 34 so if you do the math ive been working my ass off since I was a kid for my own kid! this one time it was for me. sorry to ramble but thats my story that has been my life. This is a set that means a lot to me it symbolizes my sacrifices in life so for me they are not just congas they mean more. sorry this was so long. Thank you Manny I know I will love them



Edited By vinnieL on 1187786204

[TONE74]

Take that vacation too when you get the chance bro, you deserve it.

[Tonio]

Within Afro Cuban / Latin genres, call me old fashioned, whatever..
A quinto has no place within marcha etc.
Quinto is for repicando (riffing/soloing) in a guaguanco, comparsa etc etc etc..

I cannot stand it and makes my hair stand on ends when I see/hear a conguero using a quinto tuned way up high within a band/marcha situation, playing tumbao/marcha hate it.

For marcha etc, its Conga/Tres Golpes and Tumbadora.
If using 3, I use 1 conga and 2 tumbadoras. Or 1 conga, 1 tumba and 1 super tumba.

Failing that, I use one conga in centre, one conga (tuned as tumba) to my right and a tumba to my left as the lowest pitched drum (lower than the tumba but higher pitched than an Iya typed low note.)


Changuito, Anga, Giovanni, I could go on and on and on, all share the same opinion.(regarding a quinto in afro cuban style bands) A quinto is for soloing etc..

Now if you play in funk, pop, reggae, church, *insert generic non afro cuban genre* bands, then you can do whatever you want, that has no name.

I was taught authentic afro cuban rumbero schooling, I pass this on to my students also.

Abakua,
Thank you for confirming. There are at times a fine line when a tune or band can have between traditional and
modern influences in the repetoire.
I have found some traditional bands that do use the quinto, but may be more obscure.
I suppose I should look at each scenario to be sure what approach to take. When Salsa is involved, I will make the effort to keep it traditional.

T

[109-1176549166]

vinnieL,

Thanks so much for being so transparent and sharing a part of your life's story. It takes a very courageous, confident person to reveal oneself to others, especially to most of us whom, other than having communicated with us in this forum, are practically strangers.

Man, you left me simply speechless for a while after reading everything that you've gone through. Hey, to me you weren't rambling at all and your posting absolutely wasn't long. You should compare most of mine to yours! :;):

After all the hard sacrifices that you've done for your daughter and for yourself, I can't think of a better gift to a percussion lover such as yourself than a set of one of the best-sounding and best-priced handcrafted congas in the world: the Islas. Money should just be a means to wisely acquire things--to make us happy--and not an end that's to be miserly hoarded.

As a very happily married man to my very lovely wife and a father to 3 very precious children--all daughters--(I'm a marshmallow for daughters), you've just earned my greatest admiration and respect for all the heroic things that you've done for your very intelligent "hija unica"! And for yourself, too, particularly for keeping yourself in school! You've taken the right direction. Stay with it. Bravo and congratulations! So, from now on, count me as one of your biggest fans! I mean it! I have a very strong gut feel that your daughter will be your greatest consolation and blessing later on in life later, on top of her being one right now.

So, enjoy--nope, even better, relish--your Islas when they arrive! Music is profoundly good for the soul. You more than deserve it, my brother! And do let us know what you think of Islas. And do send us photos, if you can.

BTW, please extend my warmest regards to another good brother, Mario of Isla.



Edited By mjtuazon on 1187808470

[vinnieL]

You got brother I will. Oh I will definitely post some pics!

[Derbeno]

Within Afro Cuban / Latin genres, call me old fashioned, whatever..
A quinto has no place within marcha etc.
Quinto is for repicando (riffing/soloing) in a guaguanco, comparsa etc etc etc..

I cannot stand it and makes my hair stand on ends when I see/hear a conguero using a quinto tuned way up high within a band/marcha situation, playing tumbao/marcha hate it.

For marcha etc, its Conga/Tres Golpes and Tumbadora.
If using 3, I use 1 conga and 2 tumbadoras. Or 1 conga, 1 tumba and 1 super tumba.

Failing that, I use one conga in centre, one conga (tuned as tumba) to my right and a tumba to my left as the lowest pitched drum (lower than the tumba but higher pitched than an Iya typed low note.)


Changuito, Anga, Giovanni, I could go on and on and on, all share the same opinion.(regarding a quinto in afro cuban style bands) A quinto is for soloing etc..

Now if you play in funk, pop, reggae, church, *insert generic non afro cuban genre* bands, then you can do whatever you want, that has no name.

I was taught authentic afro cuban rumbero schooling, I pass this on to my students also.

Great insight Abakua.
One observation however, in Tomsito's Volume 3 he appears to be using a Quinto in the middle (as far as I can tell), Tumba to his right and Tres Golpes (conga) on his left.

Considering he spent all his formative years studying at the Conservatory is this a break from tradition or another of these crazy Timba things ??? ?



Edited By Derbeno on 1187851149

[JohnnyConga]

Nope... its typical today...
JC" Johnny Conga.....

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[bongosnotbombs]

Looking good JC!

I just saw Sandy Perez here in SF with Afro Cuba de Matanzas.

He also plays with the quinto in the center.

[Tonio]

JC,
Would you care to expand on that reply? I'm not sure to who or what you are refering to.

T

[quote]Nope... its typical today...
JC" Johnny Conga.....



Edited By Tonio on 1188081464

[bongosnotbombs]

T,
I think JC is referring to himself, as pictured with the quinto in the center...

[Tonio]

BNB, that what I gather, but then its going back to the 3 drum deal.
I am more concerned with 2 drums scenario.

Thanks.


T

[vinnieL]

Your answers on a 2 drum set up is going to vary I asked the same question and got different answers. I would say the majority of people would say conga/tumba but i have seen some that prefer quinto/tumba but some will say that they are pretty far apart in sound but i guess that also depends on your tuning.

[JohnnyConga]

I say it's "standard" to play 3 congas today in a band...when I was coming up in the 60's none of the latin bands allowed me to play 3 congas. I was a bit ahead of myself then.,.They would tell me one drum or two but definetly not 3...so it was years before I could actually play 3 congas in a band. So that is why I said it's "typical" today...."JC" Johnny Conga....