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Postby RayBoogie » Wed Nov 12, 2003 7:50 am

Can someone explain RUDIMENTS to me? What are the hand strokes exactly? Is it when you do a heel-tip motion on both of your hands, repetitively?

I discussed with someone this past weekend and they said something to the contrary.
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Postby martin » Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:40 am

Rudiments are the techniques from snare drumming like paradiddles,single and double rolls and such-like.
Some people have applied them to hand drums (eg giovanni hidalgo)

have a look at
http://www.iwaynet.net/~bjacoby/
look for 'the stoned hand-drum' applying drum rudiments to hand drums

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Postby JohnnyConga » Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:02 pm

There are 26 standard Rudiments you can learn and there are books on them. I checked out the sight mentioned above and I find it to be very good format for learning to play. ....JC JOHNNY CONGA.... ;)
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Postby RitmoBoricua » Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:15 pm

Guest wrote:Rudiments are the techniques from snare drumming like paradiddles,single and double rolls and such-like.
Some people have applied them to hand drums (eg giovanni hidalgo)

have a look at
http://www.iwaynet.net/~bjacoby/
look for 'the stoned hand-drum' applying drum rudiments to hand drums

good luck
martin

I checked out the website and I thought I was in some kind of ET, X-Files deal. What's up with the "Alien" is he/she/it some kind of extraterrestial "Rumbero" or something...He He He He :)



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Postby RayBoogie » Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:55 am

Thanks guys.

So tell me, what exactly is the heel-tip motion on both hands repetitively? It makes a "chuga -chuga" sound. And no, it's not a train (lol).
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Postby Peter Suwalski » Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:32 pm

The chucu chuca sound you´re referring to is probably the palm/tip movement of the left hand.
It is made by playing a basstroke, and then, while letting the heel of your hand stay on the drum, "clapping" the drum with your flat hand. The last stroke is also called a fingertip stroke, even though you use a lot more than just your finger tips for that stroke.

I would strongly recommend that you get in touch with someone who already plays congas/tumbadoras, as your questions indicates that you have problems identificating the common techniques used in congaplaying.

It will be much more rewarding, than those small bits of info you can obtain through this board.

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Postby Peter Suwalski » Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:35 pm

I forgot to add my website http://www.suwalski.com.

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Postby zaragemca » Thu Nov 13, 2003 4:41 pm

The technique(heel-tips) was incorporated in the basic Tumbao as fill in,later as a distintive double beat with accentuation with one of the hands,could be a warm up( when done it with both hands),and also as showmanship when doing solos(alternating the other hand between the Conga and Tumba) if one hand is place in the Quinto to do this technique.



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Postby Tonio » Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:59 pm

RitmoBoricua wrote:
Guest wrote:Rudiments are the techniques from snare drumming like paradiddles,single and double rolls and such-like.
Some people have applied them to hand drums (eg giovanni hidalgo)

have a look at
http://www.iwaynet.net/~bjacoby/
look for 'the stoned hand-drum' applying drum rudiments to hand drums

good luck
martin

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Nah,
He's just the keeper of mano secreta LOL

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Postby JohnnyConga » Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:21 pm

RAY ...i call it the "double(2) hand shuffle or a type of "marcha" that Los Munequitos do in the very beginning of some of their guaguanco arrangements. It is played like this:

Heel Heel tip tip
right left right left and you "shuffle" the hands. got it? Good....Paz...JC JOHNNY CONGA.... ;)
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Postby JohnnyConga » Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:23 pm

Welcome Peter...can you tells us a bit about you? And believe me there is more information here than you can imagine.....At your Srvice... JC JOHNNY CONGA....www.shogigs.com/johnnyconga/index.html ;)
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Postby JohnnyConga » Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:31 pm

That's showgigs with a w ...sorry bout that...jc
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Postby RayBoogie » Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:01 am

JC, that exactly what I'm talking about. A lot of congueros uses that form before doing the guaguanco. Is it an intro to a track or is it some form of exercise? ???
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Postby zaragemca » Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:29 pm

It could be used as 'Signature' opening,I use it as warm up for flexibility.
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Postby Tonio » Wed Nov 19, 2003 10:30 pm

Its used alot to get everyone in time, and used as a intro as zaragemca says. Also it is good to get warmed up" excercise".
It can also be part of a solo or other expression of performance.
I personally use it to warm up and get those wrists and hands
flexible an use it in solos -add open tones with one hand etc..
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