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Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:21 am**

Can someone write down the basic Songo rhythm. I have three totally different rhythms written, for Songo. Would appreciate it!

Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:48 pm**

Hi RayBoogie,

Look the basic Songo in the Congabook. I think the pattern is correct (Changuito is the source).

:;):

Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:53 pm**

h,cs,cs,t,h,t,cs,ot,h,cs,cs,OT,OT,cs,ot,ot (big letters-tomba)
l, l, r, l,l, l, r, r, l, r ,l, r, r, l, r, r (right, left)

this could be songo, and its also a very good exercise for your left hand and a good pattern concerning pace (since you have the final stroke on your left before you go to rhe tomba with your right)..

Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:36 pm**

Excuse me Percomat, but I can't read...
Just a question, I read that Songo is the contraction of Son and GoGo music.

Someone knows congas patterns for GoGo music, because I was (and I'm still) a big fan of Trouble Funk, Chuck Brown and I was break dancing on the tune "Party Time" of Kurtis Blow.

Ol skul :laugh:

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:57 am**

Thanks guy's!

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:08 pm**

Colacao wrote:... Just a question, I read that Songo is the contraction of Son and GoGo music.

Someone knows congas patterns for GoGo music, because I was (and I'm still) a big fan of Trouble Funk . . .

Wow, another Touble Funk fan! Do you know if their stuff is on CD? I don't have a turntable anymore.

As for your question about Son[go]go, I doubt there's any connection between GoGo and the development of Songo, but who knows? Where did you read that?

Chris

Posted: **Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:07 pm**

Greeting Colacao,I already post in my article,'Zaragemca's bongos,conga,timbales,and Bata', the origin of Songo,if that could help,saludos.

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:50 am**

Hi Rahalak,
Hi Gerry,

Maybe it's not the GoGo Funk, you know my English is no good, but if someone can explain me this Gio interview

http://www.latinjazznet.com/special_features/batacumbele/giovanni.htm

"Goyo: Any opinions on what is now known as Timba? Are not there some similarities with the Songo played by Batacumbele in the 80's?

Giovanni: You can see in both influences from guaguancó, abacuá, bomba, charanga, as well as North American influences. My compadre Changuito developed this style in Cuba and me in Puerto Rico when we did not know each other. I got to know about Changuito through Cachete and I remember asking Cachete, "why does he play like I do?" Timba keeps growing and Songo is Son and "Go Go". We also need to see their historical connection with what people like Joe Battan and Pete Rodriguez did."

So, my question is what Gio means by " Go Go", if it's no Go Go Funk ?

Thanks

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:20 pm**

Very good question Colacao. I think your interpretation is a valid one, though Gio may be talking about something else. It's not very clear in the interview you quote.

I'm curious about the timeline. Just checking LP's short bio of Giovanni, they put the development of Songo in the early 80s. I don't recall hearing about GoGo until the late 80s; although being a white boy living in Michigan at the time, I can imagine I wasn't on top of the latest developments in the D.C. music scene.

I'll ask my teacher tonight, see what he thinks.
Chris

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:29 pm**

I could understand the confusion since there have been a lot of terms which have been created out side of Cuba in relation to percussion, but, my secuences of from where the articulation of this percussion rhythms come from,could not have been the knowlege of Gio., becouse you have to know things which happened since the 1930's in Cuba and who did it,even my 'country-man', Jose Luis Quintana'Changito' was born and grow as percussionist after that. When I was in Cuba I observed how Ignacio Berroa was growing up'as percussionist' to become the second best drummer in Cuba(after Enrique Pla,'Irakere'),so I knew Berroa when notbody outside of Cuba have any knowlege about him. Saludos,Gerry Zaragemca.

Edited By zaragemca on 1101229194

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:49 am**

(4/4) This is a two drum Songo variant that our friend Dan pointed out as the second double conga possibility that fits with two drum lead in Mozambique.

cnt: | 1 e & a 2 e & a | 3 e & a 4 e & a ||
Hand:| L L R L R L R R | L R L R L L R R |
Hi : | B T S T O O - - | B O T S B T O O |
Lo : | - - - - - - O O | - - - - - - - - |

In case you're interested in the other block notation I've been indexing:
http://www.animaldreams.net/cong/congblock.html

Edited By windhorse on 1107046271

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:04 pm**

The version from my teacher in Cuba is

o for open on conga
O for open on Tumba

B T S T o o O O o o B S B T S S
L L R L R L R R L R L R L L R R

Very funky and great to work on the slaps. Keep it loose!!!

also check merensongo and songo filin' ( my favourite)

Tone

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:53 am**

Hey Tone,, that's pretty cool! Thanks!

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:31 pm**

Sorry for probably asking a stupid question, but what does the B stand for in the songo notation? I'm a lefty so need to transpose.

Conga Tick

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:35 pm**

CongaTick:

I believe it stands for Bass Stroke.

B: Bass

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