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Posted: **Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:40 pm**

hey guys can someone help me with a rythm for Take Five?

Posted: **Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:03 am**

To play in 5 is much harder than in 7. But I would recommend following the Bass line and create your own 5/4 pattern from the bass line, and see wht happens..... :;): "JC" Johnny Conga...ps ...if i get stuck on a pattern I always listen to what the bass player is doing....

Posted: **Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:45 pm**

i had a gig on saturday we played Take Five ,i know the song but i never played it so played the same as the piano pattern it worked well but ishould figure out a pattern other than the one played :-S

Posted: **Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:40 pm**

As JC,exposed It all evolved in relation to what the Bass and any other percussion instruments are doing(e.g.drums)if you playing congas or related percussion instrument,if you playing drums then it would the depends on what is the rhythms paterns the drummer want to create for that time signature.(syncopation,ghost notes,etc)

Edited By zaragemca on 1104864271

Posted: **Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:58 pm**

what if it's the same as the one played by Dave Brubeck ?

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:35 pm**

Hi gilbert!

The Mid Eastern rhythm called Samai, which is in 10/4, might work in "Take Five", since 10 is just 5 x 2. There are other Mid Eastern rhythms in 5/4 that may work also; giving them a swingy kind of feel might fit them well with Brubeck's "Take Five".
Hmmm, I must try this...

All the best,
yoni

Posted: **Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:00 pm**

yoni wrote:Hi gilbert!

The Mid Eastern rhythm called Samai, which is in 10/4, might work in "Take Five", since 10 is just 5 x 2. There are other Mid Eastern rhythms in 5/4 that may work also; giving them a swingy kind of feel might fit them well with Brubeck's "Take Five".
Hmmm, I must try this...

All the best,
yoni

10ks yoni actually samai is one of our native rythms since i'm from an arabic country but its in 10/8
but i'll try it right away
10ks

Edited By gilbert on 1105819521

Posted: **Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:05 pm**

Also u may want to try counting out the rhythm like this

1212 1 123 12 12345 or even 1 2 3 4 1...c if this helps....
"JC" Johnny Conga... :;):

Posted: **Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:44 pm**

making it simple 10/8, is a subdivision of 5/4 time signature.

Posted: **Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:10 am**

Posted: **Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:13 am**

zaragemca wrote:making it simple 10/8, is a subdivision of 5/4 time signature.

Thank you Zaragemca. I was always very bad at math, can't read music and don't really know the difference between 10/4 and 10/8 - but I knew there was a relationship to 5/4 somewhere...

Hey Gilbert, I think there are some local Mid East rhythms here in 5/4 that might work better than Samai. (I'm also most of my life from an "Arabic" country - called Israel - Hebrew and Arabic are closely related languages, we are of the same Semitic race and are actually Biblical cousins, and share much of the same Mid Eastern music, ancient and modern). I notice that lots of music here and in North Africa is in odd time signatures. I wonder if Brubeck's origin as a Jew had anything to do with his liking of odd time pieces.

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:07 pm**

Dear Yoni,
I also play darabuka and really enjoy Middle Eastern music and culture as much as Afro-Cuban. I'm not sure that Brubeck's ethnicity had anything to do with his compositional use of odd time signatures in the Time Out recording. However, you are certainly correct in pointing out the historical links and cultural confluences between Arabs and Jews. I suppose that's what makes the Middle Eastern conflict even more tragic. Brother against brother.
Anyway, in 1958 the Brubeck Quartet completed a U.S. State Department tour of fourteen countries, including India and Turkey, and that's probably where Brubeck picked up on the Turkish Karsilama rhythm he employed for Blue Rondo A La Turk. Actually it was his alto saxophonist Paul Desmond who was the composer of Take Five, and I assume a similar origin for the 5/4 rhythm Desmond employed in his own composition.
How to play that thing? Well, Glen Velez and Simon Shaheen each taught me different variations of the 10/8 Samai rhythm. I don't think that either of them works for Take Five. But back in the day my jazz band used to play Take Five quite a bit, and I started using a syncopated 5/4 conga pattern that locked in with the piano player's left hand figure. Later on we rearranged it into a kind of 5/4 samba groove, and I switched to playing tamborim using the Rio style of rotating the drum to cop the pianist's groove. Great music, great times.

Shallom/Salem,

Berimbau

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:34 pm**

Berimbau wrote:Dear Yoni,
I also play darabuka and really enjoy Middle Eastern music and culture as much as Afro-Cuban. I'm not sure that Brubeck's ethnicity had anything to do with his compositional use of odd time signatures in the Time Out recording. However, you are certainly correct in pointing out the historical links and cultural confluences between Arabs and Jews. I suppose that's what makes the Middle Eastern conflict even more tragic. Brother against brother.
Anyway, in 1958 the Brubeck Quartet completed a U.S. State Department tour of fourteen countries, including India and Turkey, and that's probably where Brubeck picked up on the Turkish Karsilama rhythm he employed for Blue Rondo A La Turk. Actually it was his alto saxophonist Paul Desmond who was the composer of Take Five, and I assume a similar origin for the 5/4 rhythm Desmond employed in his own composition.
How to play that thing? Well, Glen Velez and Simon Shaheen each taught me different variations of the 10/8 Samai rhythm. I don't think that either of them works for Take Five. But back in the day my jazz band used to play Take Five quite a bit, and I started using a syncopated 5/4 conga pattern that locked in with the piano player's left hand figure. Later on we rearranged it into a kind of 5/4 samba groove, and I switched to playing tamborim using the Rio style of rotating the drum to cop the pianist's groove. Great music, great times.

Shallom/Salem,

Berimbau

can u tell us your version on conga and on tamborim?

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:42 am**

Dear Gilbert,
I would love to fullfill your request, but I must confess, I have no idea how to post a music transcription on this (or any other) site. I'm certain that there is some kind of software which I would need. Anyone have any ideas? Please bare with me as I am an old school guy new to the net with no computor skills. Ya'll can stop laughing now!!!

Saludos,

Berimbau

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:20 pm**

Thanks for the informative reply, Berimbau!