Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2001 10:33 amIS there somebody who can explain to me the difference between the style abakua efik and the style abakua efo?
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2001 10:33 amPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:42 amPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:30 pmIf I remember correctly, and in correct order...
Efik is prevalent in Havana
Efo is prevalent in Matanzas
the main difference is the kuchi yerema parts and the biankome parts...obiapa and bonko enchemiya are similar....for both
efo is slower
efik is faster
if you have yoruba andabo's--- callejon de rumberos album
the abakua song which is faster is typical of havana style...
Protesta Carabali which starts as a rumba and goes into abakua is a good example of the other more slower style efo...
another thing i read is that efo is the precursor to guaguanco...or one of the precursors...maybe matanzas style? Guaguanco supposedly being invented by the Calle Family...anyone more info?
Efik is prevalent in Havana
Efo is prevalent in Matanzas
the main difference is the kuchi yerema parts and the biankome parts...obiapa and bonko enchemiya are similar....for both
efo is slower
efik is faster
if you have yoruba andabo's--- callejon de rumberos album
the abakua song which is faster is typical of havana style...
Protesta Carabali which starts as a rumba and goes into abakua is a good example of the other more slower style efo...
another thing i read is that efo is the precursor to guaguanco...or one of the precursors...maybe matanzas style? Guaguanco supposedly being invented by the Calle Family...anyone more info?
Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:13 pmMore about the Efik and EFO people:
http://www.caribeinsider.com/showreligion.do?code=001
http://www.caribeinsider.com/showreligion.do?code=001
Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:17 amLaurent, This may not be exactly what you are looking for, but may be of interest. There is a video on youtube of an example of the Havana and Mantanzas styles of abakua, played by one drummer using there drums. I don't know how to post a direct link ( Yeah I know Abakua. I suck at Internet :>) ), But if you do a search using this you should get it (Abakwa Havana Style - Roberto Vizcaino)
Isaac, Great info! Thanks!
Isaac, Great info! Thanks!
Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:22 amFor those who are interested, "The Light Inside: Abakua society arts and Cuban cultural history" is a book published recently by David H. Brown, PhD. It is a scholarly work about Abakua art, with a tremendous amount of well documented information about the history of the religion and the social and political settings in which Abakua developed in Cuba. Much of the information and photography is from firsthand interviews done by the author. It is available in paperback from amazon.com or through the www.FolkCuba.com website here, run by David Brown.
By the way, that website is an internet botanica, probably one of the largest botanicas in the world. Interestingly, in the book section, the 2 books by David Brown are the last 2 listed. They also sell sets of Abakua drums, as well as sets of bata and yuka drums and chekeres, all from La Habana, obviously not de fundamento. I got some manteca de corojo from them, much fresher than what they had in the local botanica.
By the way, that website is an internet botanica, probably one of the largest botanicas in the world. Interestingly, in the book section, the 2 books by David Brown are the last 2 listed. They also sell sets of Abakua drums, as well as sets of bata and yuka drums and chekeres, all from La Habana, obviously not de fundamento. I got some manteca de corojo from them, much fresher than what they had in the local botanica.
Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:10 pmProtesta Carabalí-Yoruba Andabo
Saludos,
Jorge Ginorio
Saludos,
Jorge Ginorio
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:22 pmJorge,
would you say this is a representation of abakua efo? while Enyension Enkama on the same album is efi....i want to make sure i don't criss cross them...
Ralph
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:14 pmHi folks ,
Check this, had a quick look and it looks very informative . Might answer some of the questions being asked about abacua . Cheers. Niall.
http://www.afrocubaweb.com/ivormiller/abakuachants.pdf
Check this, had a quick look and it looks very informative . Might answer some of the questions being asked about abacua . Cheers. Niall.
http://www.afrocubaweb.com/ivormiller/abakuachants.pdf
Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:20 pmralph wrote:..another thing i read is that efo is the precursor to guaguanco...or one of the precursors...maybe matanzas style? Guaguanco supposedly being invented by the Calle Family...anyone more info?
Hi Ralph,
Abakuá has direct musical and cultural connections to rumba columbia, but other than the bonkó/quinto simularities, the case for an abakuá - guaguancó connection is more difficult to make. I'd be interested in hearing any connections you are aware of.
I'm skeptical of any one family claiming to have "invented" guaguancó.
-David
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:40 pmDavid,
I think yes the connection between the columbia and abakua are more evident in the quinto, and in the dance i would say...
I can't recall where i've read this, but supposedly the ekon part replaced the son clave that was used primarily for rumba, although son clave is typically still used in yambu as we all have heard time and time again...
i think it more or less the same situation w/ guarapachanguero where the chinitos family is the family that supposedly invented this form, although one could argue that los munequitos where doing this way before them, i found it interesting though, and kind of dismayed since the lack of knowledge on such a family such as Calle is virtually non existand, i guess we had to be there right?
I think yes the connection between the columbia and abakua are more evident in the quinto, and in the dance i would say...
I can't recall where i've read this, but supposedly the ekon part replaced the son clave that was used primarily for rumba, although son clave is typically still used in yambu as we all have heard time and time again...
i think it more or less the same situation w/ guarapachanguero where the chinitos family is the family that supposedly invented this form, although one could argue that los munequitos where doing this way before them, i found it interesting though, and kind of dismayed since the lack of knowledge on such a family such as Calle is virtually non existand, i guess we had to be there right?
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:06 pmI've heard that before somewhere too, about the Calle family inventing guaguancó. But like you say, in the abscence of any real knowledge of the family, what can one's reaction be except a shrug and a "Who knows?"
It's really too bad when you think about it, all that knowledge slipping away from us.
Florencio Calle "Catalino" Peraza was one of the founding members of Los Muñequitos but the story goes that the other members [url=http://www.afropop.org/explore/band_info/ID/66/Los%20Muñequitos%20de%20Matanzas/]sought him out[/url] to help organize the group.
The Chinitos claim to guarapachangueo remains to be investigated, and I guess there is still time for that (anybody??). I think credit is generally shared though, with Pancho Quinto.
I would say I have to disagree with you on one point though: the Muñequitos with a style considered "looser" than Habana style, have never played guarapachangueo. The closest they have come maybe was on "Vale Todo" on 1995's "Vacunao" CD.
Saludos
Guarachon
http://esquinarumbera.blogspot.com
It's really too bad when you think about it, all that knowledge slipping away from us.
Florencio Calle "Catalino" Peraza was one of the founding members of Los Muñequitos but the story goes that the other members [url=http://www.afropop.org/explore/band_info/ID/66/Los%20Muñequitos%20de%20Matanzas/]sought him out[/url] to help organize the group.
The Chinitos claim to guarapachangueo remains to be investigated, and I guess there is still time for that (anybody??). I think credit is generally shared though, with Pancho Quinto.
I would say I have to disagree with you on one point though: the Muñequitos with a style considered "looser" than Habana style, have never played guarapachangueo. The closest they have come maybe was on "Vale Todo" on 1995's "Vacunao" CD.
Saludos
Guarachon
http://esquinarumbera.blogspot.com
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:33 pmguarachon63 wrote:The Chinitos claim to guarapachangueo remains to be investigated, and I guess there is still time for that (anybody??). I think credit is generally shared though, with Pancho Quinto.
I would say I have to disagree with you on one point though: the Muñequitos with a style considered "looser" than Habana style, have never played guarapachangueo. The closest they have come maybe was on "Vale Todo" on 1995's "Vacunao" CD.
Saludos
Guarachon
http://esquinarumbera.blogspot.com
Guarachon, i knew that i remembered that name from somewhere, thanks for the YORUBA ANDABO CD!!!!!!!!! Burned it off of your site (does Union Guarachera mean anything to you?)...i just looked at your site again, and you seem to have uncovered another gem...coro folkorico...i just ordered it from Amazon...thanks...
anyway...yes i agree that the Chinitos rumba is different...i've heard the munequitos reference in terms of the feel of the tumbador in guarapachanguero...where it doesn't hold a steady rhythm particularly when Goyo was at the helm...alot of the licks that he is revered for are what you hear in guarapachanguero...maybe the relationship is not as concrete, but some say that this kind of thing influence guarapachanguero...now they didn't use the mixture of cajon, conga, and in Pancho's case bata....so i would consider goyo's innovations a sort of precursor to the guarapachanguero that we know today...which really differs from group to group...
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:03 pmGuys,
Under which style you will classify track two "Candela" on the attached link below?
Munequitos-Rumberos de Corazon
Feels like their own Guarapachangueo invention.
Saludos,
Jorge Ginorio
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Under which style you will classify track two "Candela" on the attached link below?
Munequitos-Rumberos de Corazon
Feels like their own Guarapachangueo invention.
Saludos,
Jorge Ginorio
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:57 pmI dunno, I would just have to call that "overplaying"...
I know it may sound blasphemous, but I am not a big fan of the Muñequitos' post-Goyo output... to me on that track, the playing sounds too strident, too fast, like they are trying too hard to make the energy happen...
Maybe we should start an new thread: "Guarapachangueo: What is it? Who invented it? And how the hell do you spell it anyway??"
I know it may sound blasphemous, but I am not a big fan of the Muñequitos' post-Goyo output... to me on that track, the playing sounds too strident, too fast, like they are trying too hard to make the energy happen...
Maybe we should start an new thread: "Guarapachangueo: What is it? Who invented it? And how the hell do you spell it anyway??"