the Guataca pattern when we play Guaguanco, and it's just the regular cata pattern played with one hand.
where a guy plays a metal bell with metal striker and just plays upbeat doubles.
bongosnotbombs wrote:This sounds cool, we mostly use either of 2 cata patterns for guaguanco. Would you play the same pattern the cata player is playing?
Or play a the other one?
+pablo+ wrote:Wow, this post has me spun around a bit: I did not know guaguanco could have a guataca part. I’m familiar with the guataca part for Bembe. So some questions:
1) What is the guataca (bell) part for guaguanco?
2) When does one play cinquillo? Does it fit w/ both Son and Rumba clave?
3) Can you annotate the trecio hocket pattern?
More to come I’m sure! Thanks…
+pablo+ wrote:Thanks for the reply. I respect the Tradition greatly, but I also like the idea of trying something new!
So the trecio hockets are 2/3 and 3/2 since the pattern is the same.
For the cata: I’m familiar with the ‘Yambu/Matanzas Guaguanco’: |xx-xxx-x|x-x-xxx|
Is this in 2/3? Would 3/2 just be the pattern switched?
For instance the first Cata pattern |x-xx-x-x|x-x-xx-x| switched is
|x-x-xx-x|x-xx-x-x| which is I believe to be cascara in 2/3.
And finally, man, I’ve never heard cinquillo played on anything I’ve listened to. What am I missing? Thanks!
+pablo+ wrote:Yea, I’m on it…bom-ba-tri-go-yo! The fun thing about cinquillo is that I’m counting it in one two three four five one two three four five and it fits effortlessly into two measures of 4/4. 10 beats matching up with an eight count. It’s like playing bembe guataca 6/8 with one hand, and playing the pulse (4/4 or 2/4) with the other. Like we once talked about: in every 6/8 is a 4/4. I may be a simpleton here , but this is something that just gets me going.
Moving on: with the quote “Rumba, there would never be 2/3 clave”
but Thomas Cruz Vol II presents guaguanco with a counter clave (2/3). Is this since it is not a true Rumba (three drummers, three parts)? I thought you could have either 3/2 or 2/3: the direction dictated by the singing.
Thanks for replying!
+pablo+ wrote:I thought you could have either 3/2 or 2/3: the direction dictated by the singing.
windhorse wrote:Just drawing it out as one bar, there's
Ix-xx-xx-I
and here's the other way to play cinquillo
Ixx-x-xx-I
Thus we'll play it twice in a measure, or twice in one clave.
bongosnotbombs wrote:windhorse wrote:Dave is this correct? Intuitively it looks to me like the cinquillo is 4 beats long the way
you have written it, the same length as a cycle of clave.
Here is 2 cycles of cinquillo versus 1 cycle of rumba clave. as you describe it.
both written for 1 measure, so they would be 16th notes. Seems like a lot to me.
Ix-xx-xx-x-xx-xx-I two cinquillos in one measure
Ix--x---x--x-x---I one clave in one measure
versus
Ix---x-x---x-x---Ione cinquillo in one measure
Ix--x---x--x-x---I one clave in one measure
I don't really know, I never have occasion to play cinquillo.
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