Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:09 am
Thanks Jorge for explaining what I was trying to say.
David, son clave in rumba is only played with yambu. Where in the traditional style of yambu the salidor tone is played on the third beat. Rumba clave is different from son clave in that the third stroke is adapted to the first hit of the segunda/3-2/tres golpe. Thus the terms 3-2 and tres golpe. Also remember that original clave was rumba clave which came over from Nigeria. Son clave evolved from the Spanish roots of afro cuban music. (But thats another topic...)
So when talking about the ponche/bass/bombo. Its always played on the second hit of the clave. If you listen to old school Muñequitos de Matanzas, Gregorio always hit the bass tone and he usually based all his riffs around that bass tone. So when I was talking about playing guarapachangueo on tumbadora I was talking about hitting this stroke alone and only hitting the normal tones occasionally. Also like Jorge explained it can be played on the other side of the clave as well which would be the 4th stroke of the clave, only that the other side of the clave is often used to do all the talking/riffs. So that gets substitued by whatever riffs are being played.
To understand it more you have to listen to it. Jorge gave some excellent references. Rapsodia Rumbera is pretty hard to come by but my boy sells excellent copies of it on ebay, his handle is silverspurr53. As for the Rumberos de Cuba you can get their new album "Habana de Mi Corazon" on Descarga.com or their first album is on itunes. Its called "Donde Andabo tu Acereko?". I strongly recommend the latter album. Rumberos de Cuba also made a dvd call Rumbon Tropical. You can find that basically anywhere. Amazon has a nicedeal on a double pack with this dvd and another one called Rumbambeo which is really good.
Now as for the Chinitos stlye of guarapachangueo understand that they only use two drummers not three. So there is one guy playing quinto and one guy usually playing a cajon with a conga who is basically playing tres golpe. Now Jorge mentioned that when playing tres golpe the ponche is also hit like when playing tumbador but the difference in Chinitos style of playing is that they hit the ponche on the first stroke of the clave not the second and from there is where all the talking and riffing comes from. Its very complicated to understand especially with all the different variations so again I stress to listen.
You can catch the Chinitos on youtube. Also for a better explanation of this stlye and for more references check out esquinarumbera.blogspot.com.
I really hope this has been helpful. Im not really an expert on guarapachangueo, I got all this by listening so if Im wrong about something I am sorry. I just really want to help a little.
Peace,
JAY
David, son clave in rumba is only played with yambu. Where in the traditional style of yambu the salidor tone is played on the third beat. Rumba clave is different from son clave in that the third stroke is adapted to the first hit of the segunda/3-2/tres golpe. Thus the terms 3-2 and tres golpe. Also remember that original clave was rumba clave which came over from Nigeria. Son clave evolved from the Spanish roots of afro cuban music. (But thats another topic...)
So when talking about the ponche/bass/bombo. Its always played on the second hit of the clave. If you listen to old school Muñequitos de Matanzas, Gregorio always hit the bass tone and he usually based all his riffs around that bass tone. So when I was talking about playing guarapachangueo on tumbadora I was talking about hitting this stroke alone and only hitting the normal tones occasionally. Also like Jorge explained it can be played on the other side of the clave as well which would be the 4th stroke of the clave, only that the other side of the clave is often used to do all the talking/riffs. So that gets substitued by whatever riffs are being played.
To understand it more you have to listen to it. Jorge gave some excellent references. Rapsodia Rumbera is pretty hard to come by but my boy sells excellent copies of it on ebay, his handle is silverspurr53. As for the Rumberos de Cuba you can get their new album "Habana de Mi Corazon" on Descarga.com or their first album is on itunes. Its called "Donde Andabo tu Acereko?". I strongly recommend the latter album. Rumberos de Cuba also made a dvd call Rumbon Tropical. You can find that basically anywhere. Amazon has a nicedeal on a double pack with this dvd and another one called Rumbambeo which is really good.
Now as for the Chinitos stlye of guarapachangueo understand that they only use two drummers not three. So there is one guy playing quinto and one guy usually playing a cajon with a conga who is basically playing tres golpe. Now Jorge mentioned that when playing tres golpe the ponche is also hit like when playing tumbador but the difference in Chinitos style of playing is that they hit the ponche on the first stroke of the clave not the second and from there is where all the talking and riffing comes from. Its very complicated to understand especially with all the different variations so again I stress to listen.
You can catch the Chinitos on youtube. Also for a better explanation of this stlye and for more references check out esquinarumbera.blogspot.com.
I really hope this has been helpful. Im not really an expert on guarapachangueo, I got all this by listening so if Im wrong about something I am sorry. I just really want to help a little.
Peace,
JAY