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Palo and makuta on cajones

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:34 pm
by Laurent Lamy
Hi everybody,

I am looking for informations about makuta on cajones. I known various versions on conga drums but not on cajones like in DVD "Rumbanbeo". Palo on cajones is beautiful too. Very beautiful with the songs.

ZunZun

Re: Palo and makuta on cajones

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:51 pm
by windhorse
That's a good question!
One of the guys in our group had figured it out from the video Rumbambeo what the patterns were for Palo, and we played it that way for while, but we've probably all forgotten. I never wrote it out.
Maybe someone else will speak up. But it's a question I could ask some of our group when I see them next.
What a great video!!

Re: Palo and makuta on cajones

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:50 pm
by TONE74
There is also another dvd called " Cajon Espiritual: The Music Box of Cuba " ( earth cds ) that I have and they play a Makuta pattern but I havent broken them down yet. The tumba part is played with one hand with a spoon on the side of the cajon and the other plays the top the rest plays only hands. The best part of that dvd to me is of a family group called Obbara which plays at their house and they have a pretty good jam. I downloaded a sample from the earth cds website which I thought was really good. Check it out its a nice freebi. Hope this helps anyway.

Re: Palo and makuta on cajones

PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:40 am
by davidpenalosa
HI Laurent,
Check out “Afro-Cuban Traditional Music and Transculturation” by Nolan Warden. Three CD's and a DVD to ac­company this book can be found at the author's website: http://www.nolanwarden.com. You can watch several rhythms played including palo and makuta.
-David

from amazon.com:
How are new musical traditions formed? This is the central question guiding this book on an Afro-Cuban ceremony sometimes called cajón pa' los mu­er­tos, a spirit-possession ritual that has been developed in Cuba over the past few decades. Cajón ceremonies are deftly sculpted from a wealth of religious influences including Santería, Palo, Espiritismo, and Catholicism. Grupo Cuero y Cajón, the case study for this book, provide insight into how songs and rhythms are created for these ceremonies while also bringing together older separate traditions into a new whole. This process of transculturation re­quires preservation and innovation but also shows musicians as integral to the creation of religious practices. As the first work in any language to study Cajón ceremonies, this book documents the songs used in the ceremonies and the eclectic drum rhythms that accompany them. This book is geared towards scholars in the fields of ethnomusicology, anthropology, and religious stu­dies, but will also be of interest to the general reader wan­ting to learn more about Afro-American culture. Three CD's and a DVD to ac­company this book can be found at the author's website: http://www.nolanwarden.com.

http://www.amazon.com/Afro-Cuban-Tradit ... 463&sr=1-1

Re: Palo and makuta on cajones

PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:34 am
by Laurent Lamy
Hi David,

thanks for the answer. I knew this very good stuff by Nolan Warden. There is no makuta played on cajones. The version of palo played on cajones have just one cajon whith one conga. I am looking for versions of macuta and palo (and more if it's possible) entirely played by cajones.

Re: Palo and makuta on cajones

PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:13 pm
by davidpenalosa
Laurent Lamy wrote:There is no makuta played on cajones.


Hi Laurent,
Sorry about that. You are correct. In the "iyesa" adaptation they play cinquillo on the bell. I remembered the bell pattern, but not the rhythm.
-David

"It should be remembered that although it is called Iyesa, the bell pattern comes from Makuta"—Warden (2006: 120)

Re: Palo and makuta on cajones

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:12 am
by Laurent Lamy
I am remember there is a makuta version from Guanabacoa (shared by Milian Galis) with a caja exactly like the Yesa bata rhythm.

Re: Palo and makuta on cajones

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:48 pm
by Laurent Lamy
There is 2 must see videos of the "grupo obbara" on Youtube:

Obbara 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te87yGHeaVI

Obbara 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfITtsKgdMQ

Re: Palo and makuta on cajones

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:40 pm
by Thomas Altmann
I am looking for versions of macuta and palo (and more if it's possible) entirely played by cajones.


Laurent: Lawrence Millard has published a live recording of a Cajón ceremony on earthcds.com: "Religious Music of Palo Monte". This one is played on 2 cajones and a guataca.

Thomas

Re: Palo and makuta on cajones

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:42 am
by ABAKUA
Laurent Lamy wrote:There is 2 must see videos of the "grupo obbara" on Youtube:

Obbara 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te87yGHeaVI

Obbara 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfITtsKgdMQ


I have the DVD those clips are from, great material.
There is also a few CD of Cajon Espiritual. Do you have these?

Re: Palo and makuta on cajones

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:31 am
by Laurent Lamy
I have just this one :

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