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Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:05 pm**

I know the Spanish is 3 /2 , the reason i ask is i have seen this term mentioned a few times on this forum . Im confused are people sometimes refering to this as the No 3 drum tumbadora as lead drum .

Does that make any sence?

Gracias

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:18 pm**

tres dos is another word fro tres golpes or segundo, or conga..when speaking of quinto, "conga", tumbador.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:35 pm**

thaks ralph :cool:

Edited By Congadelica on 1203619895

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:00 pm**

It is also the "rhythmic pattern" that is played on the segundo "3 beats" on the segundo--"Ol skool"...Johnny Conga...

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:09 am**

the term, if im not mistaken, came from 'tres por dos' shortened to tres dos.

From what i was told it had its roots in Spanish Flamenco, a reference to the 12/8 material that often ends or breaks on 10. hence the 3/2 feel. I dont remember reading that anywhere, however and im not sure why thats related to that specific drum.

I think this was covered in the hisory of the tumbadoras by some cat in academia..

Tony

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:42 am**

Carlos Aldama teaches us a rhythm he calls Tres/ Dos, for the reason JC says

three open notes on the conga and two on the tumba.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:42 am**

In Cuba the middle drum is refer to as the "tres dos" or "tres golpes" , the tumba is referred to as "el salidor" and then you have the "quinto", wich is the lead drum in a rumba setting.

Then you have "la clave de son" which is the 3/2 clave and "la clave de rumba" which is the the 2/3 clave.

Que no se pare !

Dario

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:49 am**

Not sure of the official explanation but I always thought it meant 2 tones off the 3rd beat of clave. Which would make sense.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:02 am**

thats called "dos golpes".....ol skool ....Johnny Conga...

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:36 am**

tres dos is another word fro tres golpes or segundo, or conga..when speaking of quinto, "conga", tumbador.

It is also the "rhythmic pattern" that is played on the segundo "3 beats" on the segundo--"Ol skool"...Johnny Conga...

In Cuba the middle drum is refer to as the "tres dos" or "tres golpes" , the tumba is referred to as "el salidor" and then you have the "quinto", wich is the lead drum in a rumba setting.

Word. This is what is reffered to when the term tres dos (three two) is used within reference to the 'conga' drum name, the particular pattern the 'conga' drum plays and also the direction in which the clave will flow.

Depending in what context it is used, it will mean any of the above.

Eg. 1
I use 2 "tres golpes" and a Tumbadora/Salidor. I donmt use a quinto in my band set up.

Eg. 2
I will play quinto, you play "tres dos", and you play Salidor/Base.

and so on....

Posted: **Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:20 am**

Interesting thread. I was always wondering where that name came from.

Omelenko:

Then you have "la clave de son" which is the 3/2 clave and "la clave de rumba" which is the the 2/3 clave.

I think you are mixing up two different matters. First we have different "displacements" of clave (using David P's term), of which the two clave directions (3/2 or 2/3) are derived. Secondly, we have certain types or forms of clave that are applied to specific styles: Here we have Rumba clave, Son Clave, Bembe bell, Abakuá clave (ekón) and a few others. Each of these forms exists in either direction, i.e. 3/2 or 2/3, provided you look at the music primarily from the melodic and harmonic perspective (as the European listening practice suggests). This is just a necessary remark that should not distract from the subject of the thread.

I don't believe that the clave directions 3/2 and 2/3 have anything to do with the functional nomenclature for the conga drums in Rumba.

Thomas

Edited By Thomas Altmann on 1203765982

Posted: **Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:42 pm**

Now you guys can see why I askd this question . ive read the term quite a few times reading threads . I took it to be the answer JC says but also it seems it can apply to different situations . ???

Posted: **Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:49 pm**

Johnny:

Could you specify which 3 strokes you are referring to?

Perhaps these:

O - - OO - - -
in the 2-part of the clave?

So you think this way to play ("ol' skool") actually preceded the following:

O - - O - - - - ?

For a time I considered the "tres golpes" referring to (notation in 2/3):

||: O - - O - - - -|- - - B - - - -

| , counting the bass stroke on bombo as the third one.

And why talk about "tres-dos" when referring to only one drum, the segunda (not the salidor/tumbadora)? Perhaps, because it sometimes plays three strokes, sometimes two? Just an idea, a question - I don't have a clue.

Thomas

Posted: **Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:40 pm**

taikonoatama wrote:
ABAKUA wrote:This is what is reffered to when the term tres dos (three two) is used within reference to the 'conga' drum name, the particular pattern the 'conga' drum plays and also the direction in which the clave will flow.

What "particular pattern"? You mean just standard single drum tumbao, the last two open tones of which start on the 3rd clave hit of 3-2 son clave? Or what? I'm still not quite following why the middle drum is called tres dos.

Sorry for the confusion, I meant to clarify, in a rumba guanguanco setting for example, it is the pattern played by the conga drum ie the tres golpes/tres dos and so on, it not only is the name of that pattern, but also the name of the drum.
Same within a comparsa/conga setting and rumba columbia, yambu and so on...

Posted: **Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:42 pm**

I'm still not quite following why the middle drum is called tres dos.

It simply is the name of it. Why is the colour blue called blue? Because thats the name of it.

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