jorge wrote:I listened again to those 2 songs by Yoruba Andabo. The clave is perfect, as good as it gets. The tempo is a little slower than we usually play guaguanco in the park, but the masters like it slower. Learn to play clave like Geovani in Yoruba Andabo and you can play rumba with anyone. Play along with the record, lock in to the tres dos and the cata. Like Congadelica said, play with the best rumberos you can find. It will take a few years, and if you have talent, you will get it. Good things take time. Singing while you play helps.
.davidpenalosa wrote:Hi Thomas,
This is probably one of those questions that would get different answers from different rumberos. I think there is a category of songs that have been specifically composed for guarapachangeo. So, in that sense guarapachangeo would be its own form of rumba. As far as the dance though, guarapachangeo belongs within the narrower category of guaguancó, since that's what they dance to that rhythm.
Were you also suggesting that guarapachangeo is used as a wider category for the modern expressions of all rumba?
-David
By most accounts, the folkloric genre known as rumba first emerged in Cuba during the 1880s, at the time when slavery was finally abolished on the island.[2] Some authors have cited the birth of rumba as earlier.[3] We know that the Congolese-based progenitors of rumba existed in the slave barracones (‘barracks’) during the early nineteenth century. It is therefore highly probable that various types of proto-rumbas were danced prior to the first rumba references made by contemporary chroniclers.
2. Several types of rumba emerged, some of which have been lost to time, or are extremely rare today. These include the taona (Courlander 1942: 238), papalote (Sublette 2004: 258), and the jiribilla and resedá (Alén 2010: 3).
3. It should be mentioned at the outset that the history of rumba is filled with so many unknowns, contradictions, conjectures and myths which have, over time been taken as fact, that any definitive history of the genre is probably impossible to reconstruct. Even elders who were present at historic junctures in rumba’s development will often disagree over the critical details of its history.
davidpenalosa wrote:
I know that the jiribilla is am instrumental form, in which the musical prowess of the drummers is exhibited. I don't know anything about the other mentioned forms.
-David
bongosnotbombs wrote:jiribilla is for demonstration.
bongosnotbombs wrote:I have read that jiribilla is characteristically very fast.
Were you also suggesting that guarapachangeo is used as a wider category for the modern expressions of all rumba?
Several types of rumba emerged, some of which have been lost to time, or are extremely rare today. These include the taona (Courlander 1942: 238), papalote (Sublette 2004: 258), and the jiribilla and resedá (Alén 2010: 3).
Thomas Altmann wrote:What about Rumba Tonada? Which type of rumba is "Cuando de Africa salí" by Gregorio Hernández "El Goyo" on the "La Rumba es Cubana" CD? Thomas
[La] forma de acompañamiento recrea la manera típica de tocar el guaguancó en Matanzas antes de la irrupción del estilo Muñequitos - y que se graba por primera vez..."
By the way, the tumba part heard on that song is typically played by Los Muñequitos on the other side of clave in guaguancó .
guarachon63 wrote:. . . the typical story of the Muñequitos also being responsible for flipping the 3/2 part - seems they just played everything backward!
guarachon63 wrote:. . . the typical story of the Muñequitos also being responsible for flipping the 3/2 part - seems they just played everything backward!
davidpenalosa wrote: I believe that the Habaneros also have their own story about how that came about. The tumba tones on that tune are basically the same strokes as the typical string of bass tones heard in guarapachangeo. Both diametric positions for the bass/tones and the segundo can be justified clave-wise, according to the tendencies ("rules") heard in other rhythms.
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