Mics! Boom or Attached to the drum! - Do most congueros prefer boom mics?
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by tamboricua » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:41 pm
onile wrote:As for the cost of the mixer that I use, I've seen it most recently going for under $80, Musician's Friend.com,
I hope that this makes sense, I may not have explained it well, my apologies if not!
Suave!
Tony
Under $80, not bad! I do own some Audix D2 that I use for my congas. Thanks for all you help!
Saludos,
Jorge Ginorio
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by windhorse » Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:02 pm
Onile, I also use the Sennheiser drum mics E 604. 3 of them, one for each drum. I always bring the cables just in case.
That is for the loud plugged electronic multi-instrument stage setting.. But for the acoustic drum and singing Folkloric setting, I've got two Audix D2s and stands which I'll raise to about a meter to 1 1/2 m height and angle the mics to about 30 degrees each direction from center. This picks up all of the sounds the drums produce as well as some of the vocal and other percussion instruments close by.
This called ambient micing.
Last night I played a gig with a group called Luna del Sol that includes two spanish singer song writers.
I brought three congas, and my other two percussionist friends brought bongos and percussion stuff like shaker, bells, etc.
We had a really nice set, but I was lazy in not bringing along the boom stands. I had all the mics and cables, but left the stands behind, as I've never yet seen a case where you needed stands when playing on stage.
Well, there's always the first time eh??
Anyway, it would have been the perfect place for the D2s as we were back behind the guitarist/singers without too much sound reflex. They would have picked up all we did, and made a nice overall mix. As it was, we played without amplification, and whacked everything good and loud!
People liked it,, so no worries..
Dave
Edited By windhorse on 1126976643
That is for the loud plugged electronic multi-instrument stage setting.. But for the acoustic drum and singing Folkloric setting, I've got two Audix D2s and stands which I'll raise to about a meter to 1 1/2 m height and angle the mics to about 30 degrees each direction from center. This picks up all of the sounds the drums produce as well as some of the vocal and other percussion instruments close by.
This called ambient micing.
Last night I played a gig with a group called Luna del Sol that includes two spanish singer song writers.
I brought three congas, and my other two percussionist friends brought bongos and percussion stuff like shaker, bells, etc.
We had a really nice set, but I was lazy in not bringing along the boom stands. I had all the mics and cables, but left the stands behind, as I've never yet seen a case where you needed stands when playing on stage.
Well, there's always the first time eh??
Anyway, it would have been the perfect place for the D2s as we were back behind the guitarist/singers without too much sound reflex. They would have picked up all we did, and made a nice overall mix. As it was, we played without amplification, and whacked everything good and loud!
People liked it,, so no worries..
Dave
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by onile » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:35 pm
Alafia Windhorse!
I think as we gig more and more, we tend to look for ways of compacting our rigg. Bringing the essentials, but as you mentioned, one never really knows what will be needed on a gig until one is there!
I actually have a gig bag that I take with me on EVERY gig, it contains numerous mic cords (25', 10', 5', 3'), mics (E-604, Vocal mics) 9 mics total, pocket wrenches (multipurpose pocket knives with screw driver, pliers, etc), mini flashlight, a bottle of "manteca de corojo" (palm oil) for my hands and congas, a small guiro, you name it, I probably have it in there. My clip on mics usually do the job, but in case if there is need for something else, I'd be hard pressed for a mic stand!
Everything fit on my rock-n-roller cart (three congas, a stand for my pre-mixer, my pre-mixer, my throne, and my gig bag), well some of the stuff I drape over my shoulder and carry my throne in hand, but I've got it down to a science!
Peace!
Onile
I think as we gig more and more, we tend to look for ways of compacting our rigg. Bringing the essentials, but as you mentioned, one never really knows what will be needed on a gig until one is there!
I actually have a gig bag that I take with me on EVERY gig, it contains numerous mic cords (25', 10', 5', 3'), mics (E-604, Vocal mics) 9 mics total, pocket wrenches (multipurpose pocket knives with screw driver, pliers, etc), mini flashlight, a bottle of "manteca de corojo" (palm oil) for my hands and congas, a small guiro, you name it, I probably have it in there. My clip on mics usually do the job, but in case if there is need for something else, I'd be hard pressed for a mic stand!
Everything fit on my rock-n-roller cart (three congas, a stand for my pre-mixer, my pre-mixer, my throne, and my gig bag), well some of the stuff I drape over my shoulder and carry my throne in hand, but I've got it down to a science!
Peace!
Onile
Que Nsambi les acutare pa' siempre!
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by gbraun » Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:04 pm
I'm probably not representing the school of fancy appearances, but for a workhorse solution I'm pretty happy with a stright mic stand, fitted with a top adapters to which I've attached two goosenecks, on which I have some 57s.
The goosenecks allow execllet positioning for various uses (i.e. back off the rim and centrally pointed, through to close micing inside the rim).
I hang an ATM-25 centrally between the drums off an adapter in the bottom foot of the stand to catch reflected bass notes off the floor (and the back of the mic).
I've been very happy with this live and even in some quick and dirty recordings - my $.02.
Edited By gbraun on 1129658686
The goosenecks allow execllet positioning for various uses (i.e. back off the rim and centrally pointed, through to close micing inside the rim).
I hang an ATM-25 centrally between the drums off an adapter in the bottom foot of the stand to catch reflected bass notes off the floor (and the back of the mic).
I've been very happy with this live and even in some quick and dirty recordings - my $.02.
Edited By gbraun on 1129658686
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by onile » Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:41 pm
Alafia Gbraun!
I hope that you are well and in an abundance of blessings!
As for the 57's, they are incredible mics, stood the test of time and pull great sound from whatever you're playing which may require a mic!
When I first began playing, I used the mic stand approach, including the multi-mic attachment (I had three goose necks and used some old peavy mics back then). I will say this however, the old set up allowed me to play much more freely. Psychologically, knowing that there is a mic attached to your drum keeps you closer to the center and inside edge of your drum, which can inhibit one's playing at times, depending on how "crazy" one gets
I do like playing with the old set up mind you, it's the older I get, the layzier(sp?) I get!:D
I recently played a concert in which the sound engineer used Sure PG56 mics mounted on some stands, the sound was incredible! This despite my having dragged my Sennheisers along with me (which I do to every gig I play).
I'm thinking of picking up a set (3) for myself when finances allow!
BTW! What's an ATM-25? and do you have pics of one?
It sounds very interesting!
Many blessings!
Onile
Edited By onile on 1129666913
I hope that you are well and in an abundance of blessings!
As for the 57's, they are incredible mics, stood the test of time and pull great sound from whatever you're playing which may require a mic!
When I first began playing, I used the mic stand approach, including the multi-mic attachment (I had three goose necks and used some old peavy mics back then). I will say this however, the old set up allowed me to play much more freely. Psychologically, knowing that there is a mic attached to your drum keeps you closer to the center and inside edge of your drum, which can inhibit one's playing at times, depending on how "crazy" one gets
I do like playing with the old set up mind you, it's the older I get, the layzier(sp?) I get!:D
I recently played a concert in which the sound engineer used Sure PG56 mics mounted on some stands, the sound was incredible! This despite my having dragged my Sennheisers along with me (which I do to every gig I play).
I'm thinking of picking up a set (3) for myself when finances allow!
BTW! What's an ATM-25? and do you have pics of one?
It sounds very interesting!
Many blessings!
Onile
Edited By onile on 1129666913
Que Nsambi les acutare pa' siempre!
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by Diceman » Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:30 pm
Onile,
How are you mon ami?
How can you do this to me?
After reading that you find E604 clip ons do the job, I got a set and now you change. I cannot keep up with you!!
Just joking, I love em, and have recently bought a Beringer Mixer (the new one has built in effect!) for my set up--it is great having control over my sound.
Sabor
Diceman
How are you mon ami?
How can you do this to me?
After reading that you find E604 clip ons do the job, I got a set and now you change. I cannot keep up with you!!
Just joking, I love em, and have recently bought a Beringer Mixer (the new one has built in effect!) for my set up--it is great having control over my sound.
Sabor
Diceman
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by onile » Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:22 pm
Alafia mi hermano Diceman!
Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!
Having the control over your sound is a great feeling, and it probably blows the rest of the folks away that you're such an elite professional my brotha!
As for the Sure mics, naw! I haven't jumped over yet, I will use them however to mic my timbales or just keep them on hand for an extra set-up, or just recording stuff here at home! Either way, it's best to be prepared than not!
Glad to hear that you made the jump to empower yourself with the Beringer Mixer, you got the newer model I take it! Great! Enjoy! As for the E-604 mics, well they will never be passe, they are actually the best mics I've ever owned!
Oh, by the way.....I also noticed that the E-604 mics have increased in price since I purchased mine. I got my set (3) for $299, then I picked another up on Ebay for $100, now they go for $329 or so for a set of three. We must have something good here!
Many blessings my brother!
Onile
Edited By onile on 1129729683
Now that's what I'm talkin' bout!
Having the control over your sound is a great feeling, and it probably blows the rest of the folks away that you're such an elite professional my brotha!
As for the Sure mics, naw! I haven't jumped over yet, I will use them however to mic my timbales or just keep them on hand for an extra set-up, or just recording stuff here at home! Either way, it's best to be prepared than not!
Glad to hear that you made the jump to empower yourself with the Beringer Mixer, you got the newer model I take it! Great! Enjoy! As for the E-604 mics, well they will never be passe, they are actually the best mics I've ever owned!
Oh, by the way.....I also noticed that the E-604 mics have increased in price since I purchased mine. I got my set (3) for $299, then I picked another up on Ebay for $100, now they go for $329 or so for a set of three. We must have something good here!
Many blessings my brother!
Onile
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by gbraun » Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:47 pm
Hello Onile - thank you for the warm welcome. I hope all is well for you too.
The Audio Technica ATM-25 info can be seen here:
http://www.audio-technica.com/cms....ex.html
I bought this first for my bass drum, based on a lot of reading on usenet about neutral mics (as opposed to pre-Eq'ed ones like e-602, D112 etc.). It's a hot mic, but very clean, and available at what I'd call a bargain pricing.
In stand-up situations I use a combination of LARGE bass notes along with foot stomps on the riser that come into the system through the ATM-25 quite nicely.
I'll try linking a picture:
Edited for a more reasonable size picture - a bigger one is available from the product link above.
Edited By gbraun on 1129733378
The Audio Technica ATM-25 info can be seen here:
http://www.audio-technica.com/cms....ex.html
I bought this first for my bass drum, based on a lot of reading on usenet about neutral mics (as opposed to pre-Eq'ed ones like e-602, D112 etc.). It's a hot mic, but very clean, and available at what I'd call a bargain pricing.
In stand-up situations I use a combination of LARGE bass notes along with foot stomps on the riser that come into the system through the ATM-25 quite nicely.
I'll try linking a picture:
Edited for a more reasonable size picture - a bigger one is available from the product link above.
Edited By gbraun on 1129733378
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by Diceman » Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:18 pm
Onile,
I bought mine direct from Germany, try http://www.thomann.de
Whatever life, drummers and electric guitarists throw at meI will carry on my journey in search of the perfect sound,
Diceman
I bought mine direct from Germany, try http://www.thomann.de
Whatever life, drummers and electric guitarists throw at meI will carry on my journey in search of the perfect sound,
Diceman
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by onile » Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:21 pm
Alafia Gbraun!
Thank you for the clarification, I've seen the mic pictured in catalogs sent to me from musiciansfriend, but I guess never paid attention to the name of it. You know, looking at the pictures and not reading, I'm such a dunse :p
I can see now, that it would be used quite efficiently with a stand-up set. I normally play seated, although from time-to-time I play with a standing rigg! That must give you a really "phat" sound, micking from above and getting the bottoms as well.
Suave!
Onile!
Thank you for the clarification, I've seen the mic pictured in catalogs sent to me from musiciansfriend, but I guess never paid attention to the name of it. You know, looking at the pictures and not reading, I'm such a dunse :p
I can see now, that it would be used quite efficiently with a stand-up set. I normally play seated, although from time-to-time I play with a standing rigg! That must give you a really "phat" sound, micking from above and getting the bottoms as well.
Suave!
Onile!
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by El Boni » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:34 am
This is all great stuff. So, generally speaking, do you guys recommend the E604s?
I'm thinking of transferring to clip on mics, after a career of so far using an AKG C1000S overhead, and whatever channels are left (usually not many in my experience once the drumkit player is accounted for) for 1 or 2 SM57s, all on stands.
My best mic experience was a session in a BBC studio, where the engineer used a field of 7 high-end condensor and dynamic mics to incredible effect. If only every gig/recording session could be like that (with someone who knows what they're doing bringing all the sound kit).
Love the idea of mixing your own sound - all too often the sound-guy has absolutely no idea what congas/timbales/bongo, or whatever should sound like, but will spend 30 mins fine-tuning every mic on the drumset.
B
I'm thinking of transferring to clip on mics, after a career of so far using an AKG C1000S overhead, and whatever channels are left (usually not many in my experience once the drumkit player is accounted for) for 1 or 2 SM57s, all on stands.
My best mic experience was a session in a BBC studio, where the engineer used a field of 7 high-end condensor and dynamic mics to incredible effect. If only every gig/recording session could be like that (with someone who knows what they're doing bringing all the sound kit).
Love the idea of mixing your own sound - all too often the sound-guy has absolutely no idea what congas/timbales/bongo, or whatever should sound like, but will spend 30 mins fine-tuning every mic on the drumset.
B
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by Diceman » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:05 pm
El Boni,
Yup, without searching the world and trying every mic going, I took the good advice of my bro Onile and have never looked back. e604s do it!!
I cannot wait for my mixer to arrive to have my sound completely sorted out.
Lets face it guitarists, bass, keyboard players etc have amplifiers, loads of pedals, effects boxes and many other gixmos, to control their volume and sound at source. We have our instruments, our hands and a soundman who (usually) doesnt know what sound we want and probably doesnt know how to get it anyway.
Its a no-brainer!!!!
Diceman
Yup, without searching the world and trying every mic going, I took the good advice of my bro Onile and have never looked back. e604s do it!!
I cannot wait for my mixer to arrive to have my sound completely sorted out.
Lets face it guitarists, bass, keyboard players etc have amplifiers, loads of pedals, effects boxes and many other gixmos, to control their volume and sound at source. We have our instruments, our hands and a soundman who (usually) doesnt know what sound we want and probably doesnt know how to get it anyway.
Its a no-brainer!!!!
Diceman
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by onile » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:00 pm
Alafai Abures!
I hope that you are all well and in an abundance of blessings!
As brother Diceman says "e604s do it", you won't be dissappointed with them! Shout out to brother Diceman! Stay well!
I visited the site which brother Gbraun posted, it appears to be a great site with great pices, now if only I could make out what they were.....
I'm afraid, I've only shopped using the U.S. Dollar, and am not familiar with "EUR Dollars."
A few years ago I took a budgeting class in college, but when this was covered I totally missed the lesson. The mics are priced at this site however at 98 EUR, can someone clarify? :p
If they ARE priced as reasonably as they appear, I would rather invest in three more E604 mics than Sure PG56 mics without a doubt!
Much respect!
Onile
Edited By onile on 1129817258
I hope that you are all well and in an abundance of blessings!
As brother Diceman says "e604s do it", you won't be dissappointed with them! Shout out to brother Diceman! Stay well!
I visited the site which brother Gbraun posted, it appears to be a great site with great pices, now if only I could make out what they were.....
I'm afraid, I've only shopped using the U.S. Dollar, and am not familiar with "EUR Dollars."
A few years ago I took a budgeting class in college, but when this was covered I totally missed the lesson. The mics are priced at this site however at 98 EUR, can someone clarify? :p
If they ARE priced as reasonably as they appear, I would rather invest in three more E604 mics than Sure PG56 mics without a doubt!
Much respect!
Onile
Edited By onile on 1129817258
Que Nsambi les acutare pa' siempre!
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