picture thread

[emveeone]

Hi guy’s.. I’m a new member but have been on the site for a while.. Anyway these are my babies. I also have some LP Patatos.. Sorry about the pic quality but it's from my phone..

[bongosnotbombs]

Hi guy’s.. I’m a new member but have been on the site for a while.. Anyway these are my babies. I also have some LP Patatos.. Sorry about the pic quality but it's from my phone..

Nice Volcanoes. Looks like you stole Johnny Congas drums!

[umannyt]

...The only drag is that the REMO head ( Nuskyn Crimp Lock Symmetry ) on the
"conga" was a little small, & as a result, does not tension properly......the head dips a little coming in from the rim...
meaning, I'll be banging my hand on the raised edge more....ouch !! Actually, only 1 of the 3 REMO heads sat FLAT on the bearing edge.

yeeman,

As I mentioned in your thread, "REMO heads for MEINL to sell....." (viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5228), try "even tuning" on your "conga". I did for the Remo Fiberskyn Crimplock Symmetry heads I bought for my 3 Gon Bops CA congas and it works. The Gon Bops online catalog states the following caveat: "Remo heads 1/4" undersize, requires even tuning to make the fit".

Remember, the Remo Crimplock Symmetry head is essentially made of flexible plastic and the raised edge is nothing but a mold. It can actually be adjusted to eventually sit flat on the bearing edge. It's done by even tuning, not by banging your hand on the raised edge.

...It's basically, hit or miss when buying REMO heads for the Luis Conte model....that's a fact.

Personally, I wouldn't say this. IMO, given the lack of universal headrim sizing for the different sizes of "conga" drums made by the various manufacturers, it would probably be economically unfeasible for Remo to design and manufacture "conga" heads that would sit flat on every headrim size available out there. So, what they do is basically give you their recommended diameters for specific "conga" makes, models and headrim sizes.

These diameters refer to the diameters of the aluminum frames. Some heads sit flat on the bearing edge; others don't. For those that don't, even tuning should cure the problem. Once even tuning is done, the raised edges will adjust to the where the bearing edges are and (over time) should remain there.

Good luck,

[maelopr]

..... the REMO head ( Nuskyn Crimp Lock Symmetry ) on the
"conga" was a little small, & as a result, does not tension properly......the head dips a little coming in from the rim...
meaning, I'll be banging my hand on the raised edge more

Hi. I just wanted to ask what you mean when you state that the head dips...is it like it caves in the center, like it sometimes happens when you mount a natural skin? -Thanks

[yeeman]

Yes....as you drag you hand from the center to the edge of the head, it obviously goes up.....I wasn't sure how long it take for the head to eventually "straighten" out....if it will at all. I'm still going to try to get the "original" crimplock heads ( 1st generation )....as long as Remo convinces me that those heads will sit FLAT on my LC's.

[Jibaro]

Remo Crimplock Symmetrys have a pretty decent margin of error in sizing - at least compared to other synthetic heads.
They don't really describe how to choose the right one though, except for the table they publish for specific drums:
http://remo.com/mini/crimplocksymmetry/CrimplockCongaDH_Chart_FULL.pdf

So M4-1175-N6-D1 means: Crimplock Symmetry (M4) 1175" head size, Nuskyn (N6), and D1 is a "flesh hoop" diameter but they don't say what that is.

So the 1175 designation doesn't always correspond with the true drum size, and the flesh hoop diameter is a different designation for each size... ie D1 on an 1175 is not the same as a D1 on a 1250 - and the same drum might take a D1 in a Nuskyn but a D3 in a Fiberskyn.

Seems like they should offer some better instructions on sizing to avoid issues like Yeeman had. The chart lists Meinl drums but not the Luis Conte model.

Remember, the Remo Crimplock Symmetry head is essentially made of flexible plastic and the raised edge is nothing but a mold. It can actually be adjusted to eventually sit flat on the bearing edge. It's done by even tuning, not by banging your hand on the raised edge.

These diameters refer to the diameters of the aluminum frames. Some heads sit flat on the bearing edge; others don't. For those that don't, even tuning should cure the problem. Once even tuning is done, the raised edges will adjust to the where the bearing edges are and (over time) should remain there.

Did you get a procedure that describes "even tuning"? Is it something that takes a few hours or a few days? Or just very small increments on the lug nuts? Or tightening multiple lugs at the same time?

[umannyt]

Remo Crimplock Symmetrys have a pretty decent margin of error in sizing - at least compared to other synthetic heads.
They don't really describe how to choose the right one though, except for the table they publish for specific drums:
http://remo.com/mini/crimplocksymmetry/CrimplockCongaDH_Chart_FULL.pdf

So M4-1175-N6-D1 means: Crimplock Symmetry (M4) 1175" head size, Nuskyn (N6), and D1 is a "flesh hoop" diameter but they don't say what that is.

So the 1175 designation doesn't always correspond with the true drum size, and the flesh hoop diameter is a different designation for each size... ie D1 on an 1175 is not the same as a D1 on a 1250 - and the same drum might take a D1 in a Nuskyn but a D3 in a Fiberskyn.

Jibaro,

You have a good understanding of the Remo chart.

Seems like they should offer some better instructions on sizing to avoid issues like Yeeman had. The chart lists Meinl drums but not the Luis Conte model.

I totally agree. In my case, I had to make a phone call to Remo's product support.

Did you get a procedure that describes "even tuning"? Is it something that takes a few hours or a few days? Or just very small increments on the lug nuts? Or tightening multiple lugs at the same time?

No, I didn't get a procedure and even tuning took only a few minutes for each drum. What I did was lower the nuts of each rod until the bottom surface of the nut was flush or even with the bottom tip of the tuning rod. I then gave a half turn on each of the nut in the direction of tuning the skin up. I worked going counter-clockwise (or clockwise, whichever one prefers) on each drum until I reached my prefer tuning. I then examined the distance between the top of the skin and the top of the crown--all around each drum. Voila! It worked perfectly for me.

Caveat: This technique will work easily only if each tuning rod has exactly the same length. This should be no problem with mass-produced drums. I know that I'll have a much harder time using this technique on my Isla drums. Their tuning rods don't have the same length. (I can't speak for the tuning rods of other handcrafted drums as I don't own any of them.) But, then again, I don't have any plans of putting synthetic heads on my Islas. I use them for other musical forms and I much prefer the drier, fat sound that comes from their original calfskin heads.

[yeeman]

I don't think the length of each tuning rod matters....as long as the distance between the top of the head & the metal rim are the same ALL the WAY around....I just eye-ball it.

[umannyt]

yeeman,

You're right, one can ignore the length of each tuning rod. It's just that I don't trust my eyes that much.

[JohnnyConga]

Those Volcanos LOOK GREAT!...No he didnt steal mine..he'd half to go thru a musical mindfield to get to them.....jajaajaja...Enjoy them my fellow Volcano Brother!...

[ABAKUA]

Thought Id add a couple...





The Eddie Montalvo Tumba is on loan to me from a student, I am using it for a big gig I have coming up where I will be using 4 congas.

[yeeman]

Those Eddie Montalvo congas really caught my eyes when the lights hit them on stage at the 25th Anniversary Rock & Roll Hall of Fame concert
that I had the pleasure of participating in.

[Mike]

Wow, a fat belly for sure

BTW you do own quite a bunch, Abakua...

[msb501clave]

Since this thread started getting some activity i could not resist.
This was a CL find the drum is from 2000 its a perfect drum not a nick on it. and for 100 Bucks!!!
I put a nice new Mule on it and away we go.

[ABAKUA]

Check out Benny More and his band. Attention to the bottom left of the photo.