Laurent Lamy wrote:tamboricua wrote:Laurent, carefully take a listen to the Orlando Poleo Timba pattern #1 sound example. The clave is definitely played "cruzao" in the sound example.
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Jorge Ginorio
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Not definitively Tamboricua! I'm sorry but I continue to say the clave is not cruzao in this example. To play the low conga on the part 2 of clave is current in this style. It is about a voluntary reversing. If it was to play a son montuno, I would agree but it is not a rhythm for son montuno or for the salsa. Other Cubans also showed it to me like that. Poléo showed it to me like that... So
Laurent, I'm not saying than by playing the tumba on the two side of the clave is necessary playing "cruzao". Now, if you were trying to show that playing the tumba on the two side of the clave is perfectly common in this Timba style, why did you play the tumba on the three side of the clave on the first sound example? Take a listen to the sound example #1.
You know what I mean?
As said by "Changuito" himself, the "father" and the "creator" of many of these Timba patterns is a tumbador named Juan Nogueras "El Wickly". Take a listen to NG la Banda, "En la Calle" cd, you will find all these patterns all over the place.
JG
Edited By tamboricua on Feb. 18 2003 at 18:04