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Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:13 pmby pcastag
Does anybody know of any good guiro videos or dvd's? not the salsa guiro, the cuban religious form. I've been looking around and found many bata, bembe, palo cajon, rumba videos, but none showing a traditional guiro.
Thanks
PC
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Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:09 pmby JohnnyConga
the Cuban "religous" form?...."JC" Johnny Conga.... ???
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Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:46 pmby pcastag
What I mean is the religious ceremony (santeria) played with guataca (hoe-blade ) 3 shekeres and one or two tumbadoras commonly referred to as guiro , different from bembe in which the bembe drums are used . I've had a hard time finding any visual sources for this music. Plenty of audio recordings though! Any help would be greatly appreciated!
PC
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Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:09 pmby Bataboom
You lost me there, but a guiro that I know is this 
and if its that your looking for video on then here...
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96781....res.mpg
I did find something called a GUIRO RHYTHM didnt know there was such a thing and here is the video of that...
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96781....iro.wmv
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Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:38 pmby pcastag
No, it would actually look more like this
http://www.folkcuba.com/music_store/det_ms_sacredrhythsant1.html
3 shekeres (or guiros because they are made from gourds) hoe-blade and one or two tumbadoras.
PC
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Sun Jan 01, 2006 10:53 pmby JohnnyConga
ok I thought u meant an instrument ..No I don't think there are any videos for Bembe's or Guiro's on the market...."JC" Johnny Conga... ???
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Sun Jan 01, 2006 10:55 pmby Bataboom
oh I got ya,,, thats actually a west african origination shekre
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1QQcmdZViewItem]http://cgi.ebay.com/Large-A....iewItem[/url]
we play one in my class of african percussionist. this type you can pull the string or play it like a shaker or shekre dont know of any spacific videos for it. Usually if you look up djembe vdo's in yahoo search you might run across one with it in the group.
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Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:35 amby onile
Alafia Abure pcastag!
Welcome to the forum and Happy New Year Abure!
That was a great description of a Guiro, have you every been to one?
Either way, it's an incredible experience to behold and participate in! As for me, I've been to a few Guiros Pa'Muerto! Palo celebrations.
Your best chance of getting glimpses of Guiros will be either or all of the following:
http://www.boogalu.com/generic_rumbambeo.html
http://www.boogalu.com/generic121.html
and some Cajon Espiritual......... http://www.earthcds.com/caribbean/cuba/cuba-omi.shtml
Enjoy!
Ache pa'mi! Ache pa'ti!
Onile!
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Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:44 amby Bataboom
oh so its not an instrument pfff :p Im with dumbness!
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Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:50 amby ABAKUA
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Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:03 amby ABAKUA
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Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:23 amby onile
Your Kung-fu is Weak! 
:p :laugh:
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Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:44 amby Bataboom
LOL I just looked nice stuff man!
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Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:53 amby davidpenalosa
Hey folks,
Allow me to chime in here and say that within the context of Santeria, the term "guiro" applies to:
o the beaded gourd instrument (also called chekere or agbe)
o the music genre using the specific instruments (3 chekeres, hoe blade and often one conga drum)
o their specific 6/8 patterns
o the accompanying dance step that embodies three-over-two (three steps per two torso moves)
o the accompanying songs (encompassing all major orisha)
o a party in honor of an orisha, involving all three elements: instruments-dance-songs (attending a "guiro" for example)
Unlike the bata, bembe, iyesa and arara drum systems, with their required initiations and other protocols, guiro can be played by anyone at anytime. A guiro ensemble sometimes plays adaptations of other rhythms from bata or iyesa. As far as I can discern, the genre guiro (also called agbe) is an adaptation of bembe. The chekere and conga parts are adaptations of the bembe drum parts. The songs and dance steps for bembe and guiro are identical. For my own classification, I refer to it as the bembe/agbe system. The rhythms ñongo and chachalokuafun are bata adaptations of the bembe/agbe system. Nongo and chachalokuafun are played to accompany the bembe/agbe songs and dance. Even when bata drums are used, Cubans refer to the dance as "the guiro step". For a look at some interesting excerpts from writings concerning bembe drums check out:
http://www.batadrums.com/background/bembe.htm
I don’t consider it a definitive work, but it’s definitely food for thought.
The great Boogalu DVD "Rumbambeo" mentioned by Onile: http://www.boogalu.com/generic_rumbambeo.html
..is actually shows the 4/4 iyesa rhythm adapted by a guiro ensemble (three chekeres, hoe blade and one conga drum).
I don’t know of any instructional DVDs or videos for guiro. However, the clearest recording of three chekeres, bell and one drum I believe (Warning: shameless self-promotion) is "Agbe" from "Drum Jam" by Grupo Exploracion (Bembe CD 2026):
http://www.bembe.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.e ... +bembe_983
You can download an MP3 of it for 99 cents from http://www.latincoll.com:
http://www.latincoolnow.com/advanced_se ... 35edc0fe68
I produced the CD and wanted to have the percussion front-and-center, with no vocals. You can clearly hear each chekere separately. Miguel Bernal plays the single conga lead in the modern style. This modern style is rumba influenced, counter-clave and similar to bonko with its use of double-time off-beats.
(end shameless self-promotion)
I prefer the term "agbe" over "guiro" because I am then able avoid confusion with the gourd instrument used in salsa also called "guiro".
-David
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Mon Jan 02, 2006 5:32 amby onile
Adupue Abure David!
Once again, you've come through with not only an elloquent explanation, but one of relative facts!
Much respect to you mi pana!
Onile!
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