Bossa Nova - How to play it on bongos?

[Salseroberlinense]

There is a marcha for bossa nova in Trevor Salloum's bongo book. Does anyone play bossa on bongos? Are there recordings? What would be nice variations? How do Brazilians call their patterns? Clave as well? I attach a percussion studio file. (The program can be downloaded for free here). It is the bossa pattern from Trevor Salloum's bongo book with a variation, a double hembra stroke. The bell gives a kind of Brazilian clave - how do they call this? What do the congas play? And who has suggestions for variations?



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Attachment: http://mycongaplace.com/forum/eng/uploa ... o_book.pcc

[Salseroberlinense]

Sorry, chose the wrong file

Attachment: http://mycongaplace.com/forum/eng/uploa ... o_book.pcc

[Berimbau]

I do play bongo quite a bit in Bossas. Try and follow the Bossa Nova time line pattern with some tasty ghost notes and fills, or play a partido alto ritmo. Do listen to Rubens Bassini's great bongo work on the early Joao Gilberto recordings. Better still, check out his early 1960's work with the group Os Ipanemas or on his own cd, "Ritmo Fantastico" both are available from Dusty Groove.com.


Saludos,


Berimbau

[Salseroberlinense]

That's great, thank you so much. Could you upload a bit of how you play? And what is a partido alto ritmo?
Rubens Bassini E Os 11 Magnificos - Ritmo Fantastico
can be partly listened to at the linked site.



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[franc]

Salseroberlinese,
hope all is well!! tell me the first download attachment is bomba in bongos?? very interesting!!! take care and ache !!! franc

[Salseroberlinense]

Yes, it is bomba as suggested by Trevor Salloum in his Bongo Book. It goes ||:A-AA-aa-:|| ||:AA-Aaaa-:|| where A is an open (abierto) on the macho and a on the hembra, - is a pause and the ||: | means repeat once what is in between.



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[Diceman]

Try this Partido Alto type ritmo, also sounds great on the Congas, and great for messing with, so long as you keep the on beat /off beat feel going.

|:OfStfHfO|fStfHfHf:|

O=open Macho
S=slap
f=tips
t=thumb
H=open on hembra
Upper case=right or 'strong' hand
lower case=left or 'weak' hand

Hope I wrote it out ok.

Suave
Diceman

[Salseroberlinense]

That's great, thank you. With slap do you mean the first stroke of the martillo or a slap as on congas?

[Diceman]

Its a slap on the macho, the same as a conga slap, but I cup my hand a little more and turn the wrist a bit as the head is smaller.At the end of the day, it doesnt matter so long as it is a different voice to the open tone. I adapted it from the pandeiro ritmo
It works well in Bossa if you want to raise the dynamics in the middle of a song or under a solo.
good luck with it and tell them its a Diceman special.

Suave

[Salseroberlinense]

Ah, good. I wonder why percussion studio does not have the slap on bongos by default. I have never heard of the pandeiro ritmo before, what kind of music is it usually played with? And what is its relation to partido alto?

[Berimbau]

The pandeiro is a Brasilian tambourine with a tunable head and very dry jingles. The pandeiro is THE essential Brasilian percussion instrument, and my Brasilian friends say that you can't really play samba, or choro, without it. As to the "pandeiro" ritmo, I don't think that the bongo can really appropriate much of the pandeiro's sounds. Now if he means the tamborim, another much smaller jingless frame drum, it does play the defining time line pattern in samba. Now that ritmo can be played on Bongo and is quite useful in Bossa. Again, Rubens Bassini played Bongo on many great Bossa lps from the late 1950's and well into the 1960's. You can't go wrong listening to this great Brasilian percussion master, who like many in his generation, also adored both Jazz and Afro-Cuban. Talk about great taste!



Saludos,


Berimbau

[zaragemca]

Saludos also in the Bossa the two main patterns,(but not the only ones), are the riffs which is use in the Repenique and the articulation which is used in the Son,(Cuba),since the Bossa has the same parameter of the Cuban Son.Dr. Zaragemca



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[davidpenalosa]

Does anyone play bossa on bongos? Are there recordings? How do Brazilians call their patterns? Clave as well? The bell gives a kind of Brazilian clave - how do they call this? What do the congas play? And who has suggestions for variations?

Here's some information that may be helpful. Congas and bongos are Cuban instruments and are not traditionally played in Brazil. If you use congas and bongos in bossa nova there are no set patterns to draw from. It's up to you. Clave-neutral versions of the conga marcha and bongo martillo tend to work well in bossa, but you need to listen to the variations of the trap drummer to learn the proper emphasis for your variations.

What many people call the "bossa nova clave" (or "Brazilian clave"): the rim pattern played on traps, is not a true clave pattern. What we call "son clave" is the most useful guide pattern for making sense of samba. The Brazilians use both the "son clave" and "rumba clave" patterns in samba. Bobby Sanabria posted this in regards to the "bossa nova clave" in the Yahoo Latinjazz forum:

"According to conversations I've had with Brasilian drummer and colleague Duduka da Fonseca he told me that it was something Antonio Carlos Jobim developed as a basic rhythmic motif. He also told me that Jobim later regretted it because Latino musicians mis-associated it with the Cuban concept of clave which was not his intention and is not utilized in Brasilian music."

Samba de roda is a form of samba that uses the conical atabaque drums. Conga drums can be used instead. Samba de roda patterns are sometimes used in batucada (parade samba) groups.

Partido alto is a form of batucada and quite different from bossa nova. Here's a partido alto bell pattern:

LoLoLoHooLoLoHoo

It begins on beat two. Here's the bell pattern in relation to clave:

|XooXooXo|ooXoXooo| clave
|oHooLoLo|LoHooLoL| partido alto bell pattern
|1e+a2e+a|3e+a4e+a| beat scheme

-David

[Salseroberlinense]

I found a little bit about repenique at a link in this other thread but I am still not sure how to accompany bossa nova with bongos. Maybe someone could explain what the drummers usually play?
Ok, someone emailed me:
"the most basic bossa nova on the drum set includes the rim shot (stick laying across the snare drum head and rim) which is basically the son clave with the 2nd stroke of the 2 side delayed an eight note (if written in 4/4) I would probably play with more of a 2 feel than a 4 feel."
So I guess now some audio examples would be perfect.



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[Isaac]

Check out this great website
with many video demonstrating
some of the great players of Brasil.

http://www.pandeiro.com

~ Isaac ~