Selling bongos and congas

[robertfelcher]

I normally do not have time to read threads on web sites, I am a full time working musician (for the past 32 years) and always busy with something. I have never even had time to read anything on this site until now. I recently received a letter from "El Greco" regarding a pair of bongos which he purchased. He asked me to say something about the issue. So Here I am, reading the thread on his bongo problem. Yes, those Gon Bops bongos are originally from my collection. Yes, I did restore them, and make a small crack repair.
I do not know what was told to "El Greco" when he bought them so I cannot comment on that aspect.
Here is what I will comment on, though. Some mention has been made about restoring drums. What is wrong with a repaired drum? If you throw out all the old classic drums, and never fix them, you will lose a great piece of history. What ever happened to recycling? It is a great art to restore a drum to be used again, and I truly believe the drum, if done correctly, is as good as new, or better! Do you guys out there want to play these drums, or just look at them on your shelf? If you want a perfect drum, get a machine made, mass produced LP.
One member of this website, congaDR, made a comment about water stained Valje. I have personally bought a drum from this guy (Tony) which he claimed to have restored, and never mentioned any problems, and when I opened the box, wow! I have never in my 32 plus years of drumming seen a conga with a head that out of round!!!!!!!!!!! It was not just egg shaped like most out of round drums, this one went in and out like a jagged coastline!! When I confronted him about it, he said "didn't I tell you about the head being out of round?" No, of course you did not!!!!He would not refund my shipping costs, and I ended up losing money,but he claims to be one of the "expert" restorers. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones!!!!!!!!!!
If you are busy playing drums, you would not have time to go on and on about all this nonsense. It's like the political scene, all the garbage being thrown around, and nothing spent on the real issues.
I will continue to restore old drums when I have time, and will always respect a vintage restored drum no matter if it had many cracks, and horrible paint job, when I fix it, if it sounds good, and plays well, then I have saved a piece of history. Full disclosure when selling any used item is the best policy. I hope "El Greco" and Dario work out the problem, life is short, no time for wasting on this crap. I have lost much money on shipping costs for items that were not as I expected, but when buying used items, one must attempt to find out every detail. Most older drums can expect to have some repair done on them.
Robert

[congaDR]

Oh, hello Robert.

Nice to hear from you.

Im glad i kept the picture for all to see what a horrible drum i sold you for 250.

I offered to refund you the 250 plus shipping one way, which is fair. You declined. remember?

fyi, My house is made of quartersawn Oak.

Tony

gon bops oak

[robertfelcher]

Actually, folks, the drum was sold to me for $300.00 with no warning that the head was so out of round that even a novice in congas would notice something that bad. Sure, Tony, from the side view, it looks fine, but, remember, I also save all the drum photos, and here is the top view photo of the drum you sold me, which I kept as evidence. You just can't seem to admit when you committed an act that you so actively condemn others for, misleading people and selling a bad drum, that you claimed was one of your restorations.
It's great how on the web anyone can make any claim to be the greatest player or expert in any field.
Take a look at the head shape, and you decide if MR. TONY, CONGADR. is truly the doctor he says he is. No one is perfect!!!!!!!!

[congaDR]

Unbelievable.

You are the same cat who complained that his flat skins were not cut perfectly round, eventhough you cut that part off when skinning a drum.

I told you the drum was not in round over the phone when we negotiated the price. Did i tell you the drum was round Robert?

Im always able to provide as many pictures of the drum as the buyer wants, to make sure they are getting the drum they want.

I told you it was not perfect, but was solid and very nice sounding. It was listed at 300, you insisted paying 250 because of its condition.

Id like to hear from the people who purchased your water damaged valje congas listed on ebay as in ideal condition.

Tony

[Mr. Conga]

One thing i know the people who brag their expertise, and mastering of congas for over 30 yrs, evidently on you tube's, do not seem to have earn not even a bacleors degeree,yet a Masters....on percussions. has any one noticed that?

Yep, people with glass houses, should not trow rocks.
For the safety of all.
Let us post feedback on transactions, wether carried on the conga forum or off.
In order for the level of integrity be raised in the percussion community.

[yambu321]

HELLO TO ALL,

THE INITAL THREAD, (NOW LOCKED), AND THIS THREAD, (AS IT'S CONTINUATION), HAS TURNED OUT TO BE QUITE AMUZING, AS WELL AS INTERESTING. NOT PICKING SIDES. BUT, I WILL SAY THIS. I AM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH ROBERT FLETCHER, ABOUT THE DEALINGS, AND RESTORATION'S OF VINTAGE DRUMS.

DARIO, IF YOU CAN GET THOSE BABY'S BACK SAFELY, PLEASE DO.
THEY DESERVE AN OLD SCHOOL TRUSTEE!


"GENTLEMEN, PLAY YOUR DRUMS".

CHARLIE.

[Derbeno]

As a fellow San Diegan I vouch for Robert's professionalism and business integrity.

This is based on my personal experiences in dealing with Robert.

[Tonio]

"GENTLEMEN, PLAY YOUR DRUMS".

CHARLIE.

True dat Charlie !! LOL

Yo Robert, wanna check out me Moperc/Islas?

Tony

[ABAKUA]

Can we leave dramas off this forum please? Id hate to break out my naughty stick.

[El Greco]

HELLO TO ALL,

THE INITAL THREAD, (NOW LOCKED), AND THIS THREAD, (AS IT'S CONTINUATION), HAS TURNED OUT TO BE QUITE AMUZING, AS WELL AS INTERESTING. NOT PICKING SIDES. BUT, I WILL SAY THIS. I AM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH ROBERT FLETCHER, ABOUT THE DEALINGS, AND RESTORATION'S OF VINTAGE DRUMS.

DARIO, IF YOU CAN GET THOSE BABY'S BACK SAFELY, PLEASE DO.
THEY DESERVE AN OLD SCHOOL TRUSTEE!


"GENTLEMEN, PLAY YOUR DRUMS".

CHARLIE.

Yes My Friend,I agree with you.Say to your friend to take back those Bongos and to refund me ALL MY EXPENCIES!Mr Dario sold me EXACTLY THE SAME BONGOS that he bought from Mr Flecher.As EVERYONE knows Mr Dario NEVER explain on his description that the Bongos were RESTORED.And Mr Dario THAT WE TRUST for his reputation said "I didn't notice that had a reparation.The Bongos it was in PRISTINE CONDITION when left to my house...Post Office or El Greco break the Bongos...YO NO SE NADA...????".
Here on this forum everyone understund as well that something wired is around.."protection" for Mr Dario!When blocked my post I received several emails with support from members from Congaplace.
EVERYONE UNDERSTUND WHAT REALLY HAPPENS!
Something else..As we speak for honnest and truth between us...I would like to ask something to everyone.If someone os us wants to check all the posts of any member,we just have to go to the profile of each member and to check the "Search user’s posts"...Like I did before a week for Omelenco1 profile in order to find his photo that he showed in 2006 with the Gon Bops Walnut Wood Bongos With 5 Lugs(The photo that show the Bongos next to Swimming Pool).It was my first time when I saw those Bongos and also ALL OF US we know this famous photo).
So my first time when I checked that it was a week before(in order to find his older photo than my contact with Mr Flecher) and I just find posts from 2006 from Omelenco1(but without his post that show the Gon Bops 5 Lugs that he had posted..se aparecio.. ).But 4 days ago I went again and I found that the posts of Omelenco1 starting....from 23 Luly 2008!!!....Interesting e????Check it out if I'm wrong..

El Greco

[El Greco]

Can we leave dramas off this forum please? Id hate to break out my naughty stick.

ABAKUA everyone respect what you do for this forum and you are very honnest for what you do.

But regcognise that some members of this forum made a mistakes BETWEEN US and this is much more IMPORTAND than any new model "test drive"..Those issues have to exist and not hidden from this forum.Is like we try to hide ourselves behide of our finger..Hope you understand.

El Greco

[ABAKUA]

Sort it out off the forum.
Keep it to private message, keep it to email, phone calls, in person, whatever.

THIS FORUM IS NOT A TOOL FOR THIS.


You achieve nothing by posting this on here.