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Por fin hay alguien con toque para aprender

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:42 pm
by juancho

Re: Por fin hay alguien con toque para aprender

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:49 pm
by juancho

Re: Por fin hay alguien con toque para aprender

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:02 pm
by juancho

Re: Por fin hay alguien con toque para aprender

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:19 am
by RitmoBoricua
All the riff and flash is very kool no doubt but I do not hear this
person explain how to put all that stuff in clave context and playing
within a rhythm section. You can't just throw all this riff any kind of
way. You may end-up stepping on other people toes and playing
"cruzao". Is one thing when you are practicing/playing by yourself and
another thing when you have to be part of a team and conform to
clave. To me what you do not play is as important as what you play.
With that said here is a video that put it all in context.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAfYYAaf ... r_embedded

Re: Por fin hay alguien con toque para aprender

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:16 am
by pcastag
To me this is the best online video lesson. Un poco dificil si no entiende espanol, but the grovve is there. El indio!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0l1nsoPJ1Q

PC

Re: Por fin hay alguien con toque para aprender

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:37 am
by Thomas Altmann
Here's the book:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r0A3mllzUc

Greetings,

Thomas

Re: Por fin hay alguien con toque para aprender

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:37 pm
by juancho
RitmoBoricua wrote:All the riff and flash is very kool no doubt but I do not hear this
person explain how to put all that stuff in clave context and playing
within a rhythm section. You can't just throw all this riff any kind of
way. You may end-up stepping on other people toes and playing
"cruzao". Is one thing when you are practicing/playing by yourself and
another thing when you have to be part of a team and conform to
clave. To me what you do not play is as important as what you play.
With that said here is a video that put it all in context.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAfYYAaf ... r_embedded

Your correct bro, what I meant is that Pezkao is teaching a few more patterns from the martillo.
All I see on youtube is teaching the martillo but I wanted to see more than that and this is
probably one of the best videos out there. He does mentioned caution on one of the videos
being carefull on stepping over and being careful when to come and when to get out so this
video was intended for the those who know when to come in/out from the clave.

Re: Por fin hay alguien con toque para aprender

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:56 pm
by RitmoBoricua
I like what he does on that video but I do not think is intended for
beginners. You have to be careful where you place them riff and licks.
That's why I posted the other video because Dandy is using some
of them licks the dude demonstrates on his video. You can see and
hear Dandy using some of them licks on an actual performance with
an orchestra and you can tap clave, and see where he placed them
in relation to the clave and the music that is being played.

Re: Por fin hay alguien con toque para aprender

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:43 pm
by juancho
RitmoBoricua wrote:I like what he does on that video but I do not think is intended for
beginners. You have to be careful where you place them riff and licks.
That's why I posted the other video because Dandy is using some
of them licks the dude demonstrates on his video. You can see and
hear Dandy using some of them licks on an actual performance with
an orchestra and you can tap clave, and see where he placed them
in relation to the clave and the music that is being played.


Exactamente..........always love Dandy's riff video.

Re: Por fin hay alguien con toque para aprender

PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:27 am
by Tumbas
Another thing not being considered is that "pezkao" is presenting them as "patterns" and the only pattern in Bongo is Martillo.

He's saying the the Niche guy "desarollo" those "patterns". Sorry, but no. They are Repiqueo, not patterns. And they work around Clave and the rest of the instruments. And though you hear those he played often today, they are older than the North Wind( Ma' viejo que'l frio).

As someone pointed out, Johnny Rodriguez is playing the same repiqueos in the clip. Bongo is my main instrument and I've been playing it since 1974. I've seen players with well known groups in NYC that were not doing justice to the bongo, so it is not an easy instrument.

So if one is going to post a video for bongo, he needs to have a vast understanding of the application of this drum.

They are Syncopation... The opposite of pattern!

Re: Por fin hay alguien con toque para aprender

PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:12 pm
by RitmoBoricua
Tumbas wrote:Another thing not being considered is that "pezkao" is presenting them as "patterns" and the only pattern in Bongo is Martillo.

He's saying the the Niche guy "desarollo" those "patterns". Sorry, but no. They are Repiqueo, not patterns. And they work around Clave and the rest of the instruments. And though you hear those he played often today, they are older than the North Wind( Ma' viejo que'l frio).

As someone pointed out, Johnny Rodriguez is playing the same repiqueos in the clip. Bongo is my main instrument and I've been playing it since 1974. I've seen players with well known groups in NYC that were not doing justice to the bongo, so it is not an easy instrument.

So if one is going to post a video for bongo, he needs to have a vast understanding of the application of this drum.

They are Syncopation... The opposite of pattern!


You are right them riff ain't new. What it is they are new to the guy in the video and perhaps he has not studied the bongo
in-depth. You got to admit he is pretty young. That's one of the dangers of the youtube era anybody can post instructional
videos.

Re: Por fin hay alguien con toque para aprender

PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:12 pm
by Omelenko1
When you want to consult a bongo video, "Dandy" is the source and the reference to seek. Mongo told me many years ago. "When Puente comes to town arrive early and sit in front of "Dandy" and try to absorb everything he plays, also the campaneo, as he is a master at it".
No need to check anyone else, go to the source.

Re: Por fin hay alguien con toque para aprender

PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:29 pm
by burke
Hi Guys,

Could someone translate/define "Repiqueo".

This is a new term for me.

Thanks

Darrell

Re: Por fin hay alguien con toque para aprender

PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:03 pm
by RitmoBoricua
burke wrote:Hi Guys,

Could someone translate/define "Repiqueo".

This is a new term for me.

Thanks

Darrell


It means riff, ad-lib or embellishments the bongo plays in addition to the "martillo pattern". Also it can be called "repicar/floreo" too.

Re: Por fin hay alguien con toque para aprender

PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:42 pm
by Thomas Altmann
I used to call it repique (without "o") ...

Thomas