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[tamboricua]

Guys,

I just got the latest edition of World Percussion & Rhythm which features and interview with John Amira. John cites three New York batáleros at the time who played a major role in his development as a batálero. Carl Vail, Ray McKethan, and Rudy Wright. Anyone familiar with this names?

Saludos,

Jorge Ginorio

[davidpenalosa]

Jorge,
Can't help you with any of those names. How about Johnny? Did John Amira add or contradict anything that's been said here concerning bata in NYC?
-David

[ralph]

Hi Ralph D,
I live in California and was just visiting NYC back then, checking out live music like Libre and Daniel Ponce's Jazz Bata w/ Puntilla. Teddy Holliday, a freind of my Godfather Markus Gordon, invited me to the bembe. Teddy didn't come. I took a taxi to Queens. The folks were very open and freindly, but I knew no one including the drummers. Sorry I couldn't be of any help.
-David

Ah, so you went to a tambor in which the late Teddy Holliday was a part of....yeah woochie and abi are his sons, they may have been there...i'm thinking you may have went to a tambor where in which Totico's crew was playing...Rene Lopez Jr, Willie El Russo, Carlos Sanchez, and countless others may have been there...must have been nice...i always felt that there isn't much info on the late great Teddy Holliday...which there should be...he was one of the first, in NY, particularly being African American to really get into the bata scene...

RALPH

[niallgregory]

Hi jorge,

Where do you get World Percussion & Rhythm magazine from.Never heard of it before.Cheers.Niall .

[tamboricua]

Hi jorge,

Where do you get World Percussion & Rhythm magazine from.Never heard of it before.Cheers.Niall .

Hi Niall,

Check for their info @:

World Percussion & Rhythm Magazine

Best,

Jorge Ginorio

[Zeno]

Conical drums:
I saw a few of these going east from Camaguey to Santiago
Zeno
Bocu:

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[Zeno]

Other cononical: Old Yuka Drums:

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[CongaMan]

Hi guys and sorry for not beeing here very often unfortunately... i have no problem to create new category and sub-category forums dedicated to the "history of percussions and music in general"....

Do u want to create a new category?
How do u think we should create the new forums?

For example:

The history of percussions and music (category)
>> Congas (forum 1)
>> Bongo (forum 2)
and so on...

I await your comments to create the new forums...
Bye

[GuruPimpi]

Go for it!

Primozz

[ABAKUA]

Hi guys and sorry for not beeing here very often unfortunately... i have no problem to create new category and sub-category forums dedicated to the "history of percussions and music in general"....

Do u want to create a new category?
How do u think we should create the new forums?

For example:

The history of percussions and music (category)
>> Congas (forum 1)
>> Bongo (forum 2)
and so on...

I await your comments to create the new forums...
Bye

Perhaps:

Percussion & Music History (category)

.. Congas (forum 1)
.. Bongo (forum 2)
.. Timbal & Drumset (forum 3)
.. Miscellaneous - Bata, etc.. (forum 4)


Thoughts?

Marcelo.

[franc]

i need to clarify if this is true or not. in time of the slave trade. the music in the spanish colonies like cuba, p.r and so on was more vibrance and it had more rythmic feelings due to the conquest and influence of spain. the spanish music intruduced the element of improvisation and complex rythmns. the religious festivities gave the slaves oportunities to hear this music. this motivated the religions of the occidental africans and the catholics mixed or came together by a process called'' sincretismo'' i dont know how to traduce that word in spanish. i am not that articuleted in english, sorry!! spain and its language helped in this evolution of our great african music heritage. please am i correct in this accertments. thanks, aché to all :0 franc

[franc]

traduce the word ''sincretismo'' in english. i should have said. franc :blush:

[davidpenalosa]

1. the music in the spanish colonies like cuba, p.r and so on was more vibrance and it had more rythmic feelings due to the conquest and influence of spain.
2. the spanish music intruduced the element of improvisation and complex rythmns. the religious festivities gave the slaves oportunities to hear this music.
3.this motivated the religions of the occidental africans and the catholics mixed or came together by a process called'' sincretismo'' i dont know how to traduce that word in spanish.
4. spain and its language helped in this evolution of our great african music heritage. please am i correct in this accertments.

Hi Franc,
The language barrier may be a problem for us, but here goes:
1. The music of Cuba and PR is a blend of Spanish and various African musics. The majority of rhythmic elelments are attributable Africa rather than Spain.
2. No. The Spanish music did not intruduce the element of improvisation and complex rhythms. The rhythms of Africa are more complex than that of Spain. Improvisation is a part of African music as well as European music.
3. Basically yes.
4. Yes.
-David

[franc]

davidpenalosa,
thanks a lot. much greatful for your info. did understand what you explained. David, why was or the reason in the time of the slave trade for colonies preference of slaves. for ex. in Brasil they prefered the slaves from the the coast of Guinea called in spanish'' Senegaleses''. the spanish prefered the ''yorubas'' the English prefered the ''Ashantis''in the case of jamaica, etc. the French frefered the ''Dahomeyana'' in this case Haiti, etc. do you know the diferences of this african cultures and why of this preferences of slaves by this countries i mentioned??? my best and mucho respect ,David. great to salute you!!!! aché, franc

[zaragemca]

Welcome Franc the etnic,preference have to do with the physical structure of the body,and the skills which were told in relation of the kind of Tribes,Portugese want the Guinean,and Angolan which were the portion of Africa which they have knowledge about,Spanish were fascinated with the Yorubas/knowledge,(but were getting the wrong/Yorubas,and didn't were able to obtain any real/one untill (1830-40),..England was getting the Assantis which was the location they were trying to control since 1700's,..french, have people from Guinea,and Congo which were the territory penetrated by them and which they have familiarity...Now,Dahome was not and specific Tribes,it was a trade/center where business were being brokeraged...The evolution of the african heritage...even when spanish/government sometimes were playing an antagonic approach to the african/culture,it is recognizable the opportunity which these individuals have in Cuba which were different in other colonies,and the early incorporation of some braves/musicians of this african/musical/structures and drums into the European Music.Dr. Zaragemca



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