zaragenca wrote:Also David,I forgot to mentioned that in one of your articles about Bata you mentioned than Pablo Roche was the beneficiary of the first ' Set/Bata' which were made in Cuba and that is not correct,neither he got the first Set/Bata which were made in the Habana..DR. Zaragemca
zaragenca wrote:Welcome brother Facundo..making an statement of having one of the ‘oldest set of Bata’, is different that saying the first set of Bata made in Cuba...I know that the 'set' used by Pablo Roche came to him through his father Andres Roche..but it was not the first set of Bata made in Cuba ,neither in the Habana…..In relation to the Oriate,I don’t know what is the new invention out of Cuba,but since I was born there and until the time I left Cuba,.Oriate have been the maximum authority in everything related to the ceremonies,(they have completely dominate all the articulations of the songs to be an Oriate),and I have observed many times Oriates in Cuba correcting anybody,(including bataleros when the articulation would not correspond to the interpretation of what the (Oriates), think that it should be played),…In relation to Africa,(Nigeria),I made the statement and continue to affirm than the only people which would have absolutely knowledge in Ife,and later in Benin/City are the drummers which were member of the societies which were in charge of playing in the ceremonies..and Benin was absolutely more restrictive in that regard,(the society was hereditary and their could not use the drums for anything else than for ritual ceremonies)..so not one out of those drumming societies,or the people officiating in the ceremonies, knew about those drums. ..And I don’t think that anybody in Cuba knew more than Adessina,(Regino Herrera), in what I’m saying…or one of my Godfather ‘Cheche’ which was the leading Oriate in Habana from 1950’s until his death.Dr. Zaragemca
zaragenca wrote:welcome bother JC, as I said before many times,there were things which were only spoken within the Yorubas circle,and there was a reason for it at that time,but the whole linage of the Yorubas activity in Cuba is known,(even if only to few people),but you need to have the trust of the elderly and your Godfather to share things.Dr. Zaragemca
zaragenca wrote:Well you said that you know about the subject and I did make a question..to tell me an Oriate in Cuba which didn’t know the articulation of the Batas,… The ‘Real’ Oriates in Cuba have done everything for long time before been considered an Oriate..again SAID THE NAMES OF ONE IN CUBA WHICH DIDN”T KNOW THE ARTICULATION OF THE BATAS….It is true that in Africa several region were worshiping differents Orichas,(that is one of the reasons that not all the regions know how to make and play a Bata), and there were people in Nigeria traveling to perform ceremonial iniciations first from Ile Ife and later from Benin/City which took the control of Yorubaland in agreement with Ife,(and continued the development of everything in relation with the Arts,culture,military, ceremonies)… Back to Cuba,… none of those persons which you mentioned have told you which was the first set of Bata made in Cuba and the first one made in Habana come on,…. if you have been around important people answer my questions..You said that you worked with the oldest Oriates in the U.S.A., which is not true,..the Oldest Oriates died in Cuba, (including my Godfather ‘Che Che’)…If you have been around important people in the Yorubas affairs, answer my questions.Dr. Zaragemca
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