zaragenca wrote:Well David in that case, GET THE PICTURE HERE,(like everybody have done it),and also get his birthdate..
davidpenalosa wrote:Actually, I can't do that because I don't have a scanner. Perhaps somebody in this forum (Johnny Conga?) has a copy of the "Salsa Guidebook" and can scan and post this picture of the young Francisco w/ Trinidad and Raul Diaz on batá for the benifit of Mr. Zaragemca. If not, I'll see what I can do.
zaragenca wrote:.Also I want to take this post to oint out something which I missed in the other topic...never neither during the Civil War of Nigeria in the 1860's or before there were a large groups of Yorubas/people taken to Cuba,(we have the date of the Cabildos,the name of the Cabildos,etc),..the womans and the first Babalawo which became the initial Oriates in Cuba and took that knowledge from Habana to Matanzas arrived to Cuba in the 1830's..(and there are only a handful of them,...everybody else in Cuba got into the Yoruba/Religion through initiation,(and we have the whole historical sequences of initiations,so I don't know from where they are going to get they numbers.Dr. Zaragemca
Well brother Thomas I never tryed to tread you as a child,but you did get youself into this situation.becouse we are discussing a chronologic subject in relation to Obaluaye and you are coming with a 'Pataki', in relation to him,and you forced me to clear that...In relation to evidence,there have been a lot of evidences with the Araras in relation to Obaluaye living there with them,but if that isn't enough for you, (I have witnessed,and experienced in Cuba ceremonies where Obaluaye,or Babalu Aye,(as the preference could be),had mounted in the person of an Iyalosha and talked to everybody presented there,(and these is not the only time that this Orichas have presented himself in Cuba)...Back to Thomas I konw about several movies which have Aguabella featured on it,(but these movies weren't made in the 1950's when Aguabella was playing with Katherine, these movies were made after the Bata drum came to the U.S.A.,..but neither Aguabella,or Collazo were Olu/Batas when they came with Katherine,both of them returned to Cuba and continued the study after that.Dr. Zaragemca
arsenio wrote:How the Yoruba tradition came to New York....
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2838/is_n2_v29/ai_17534773
greetings,
Arsenio.
zaragenca wrote:brother Facundo,I really don't know what are you trying to rectified,I said that there was not movies in the 50's about bataleros,(that somebody could put some bataleros in a movie for some reasons is a differents story),in relation to Julito,and Aguabella,(there is nothing to clarified since I specifically said,OLU/BATA),I never mentioned any thing about Omo/Ana... In relation to Oriate, I knew that the first Oriate in Cuba were womens,and I never said that Babalawos were the first Oriate in Cuba,I already know long time ago that there are some differences between Habana and Matanzas,(I come from there),and I have been in both places,and more...In relation to the great amount of Yorubas coming to Cuba... Which are them,how do you know that they were Yorubas?....Where in Cuba arrived that great amount of Yorubas?....Now in relation to Obaluaye..Have you ever talked with somebody which is of the lineage of the people from the Araras?. .Have you ever witnessed the encarnation of Obaluaye,or(Babaluaye) in another person and observed of what he did,or said?.Dr. Zaragemca
Facundo wrote:...you write things about people you don't know.
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