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Postby Facundo » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:16 pm

Hey folks,

Just happen to find this link on youtube. It is from an old film that I believe I made reference to in one of the discussions about old bata drumming. This is from an old movie called "Affair in Havana" from 1957. It shows a young Ceilia Cruz singing to Obatala and Agayu with old school bata drummers. The clip is very dark but I believe the iya player is Giraldo Rodriquez.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY1kPICHli4&feature=related
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Postby zaragenca » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:23 pm

Well they have a constelation of Iya players on differents scenes,but everything have been previously recorded what you see in the films is not what you are listening,(including the congas in the scene have nothing to do which what have been recorded).Dr. Zaragemca
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Postby OLSONGO » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:39 pm

Z, you are subject to your opinion, but something to take into consideration, most old films.... and especially b-movies ran on a limited budget , so to go and dub tracks and edit is costly, also why would they do that and ruin the capture of the live atmosphere of the scene ?

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Postby zaragenca » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:42 pm

Brother Olsongo,I don't know if you know that I did work in Universal studios,(California),and have been inside all the majors Studios there,(before working for Universal),so I know ta lot of tricks and I could see things in the scene which would be overlook for people which have never been in production,(otherwise they would see it like me)..Beside that,(puting apart the historical value of the movie),becouse there percussionists which have been recorded in that movie what they did represent a satirical way to present these Yorubas songs.if they were recording a rumba setting with batas and singing rumba,etc...That would be a different subject..the way it was presented it was satirical.Dr. Zaragemca
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Postby zaragenca » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:43 pm

Brother Olsongo,I don't know if you know that I did work in Universal studios,(California),and have been inside all the majors Studios there,(before working for Universal),so I know ta lot of tricks and I could see things in the scene which would be overlook for people which have never been in production,(otherwise they would see it like me)..Beside that,(puting apart the historical value of the movie),becouse there percussionists which have been recorded in that movie what they did represent a satirical way to present these Yorubas songs.if they were recording a rumba setting with batas and singing rumba,etc...That would be a different subject..the way it was presented it was satirical.Dr. Zaragemca
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Postby OLSONGO » Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:42 am

Z, I fail to see the satire , in which way is it making fun or degrading what Celia and the drummers are doing in the film ? Are the cantos not what they are supposed to be ?
Is there a misrepresentation ? I would like for you to know that I am very familiar with many of the techniques utilized in cinematography; especially then. The music and Celia's voice could of had been overdubbed in a studio, in order to get a cleaner projection and to eliminate some of the riff raff from the extras in the film, and as always some film editing took place ; but that is no mayor trick.

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Postby zaragenca » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:30 pm

I don't blame you for not been able to see the satirical in the movie Olsongo,becouse to see it in involved the knowledge of the social/political situation in Cuba at that time,the knowledge of the perception of the Yoruba religion by the people which didn't belong to it,and the history of the religion in Cuba...but the first thing comming to mind is that there is not sense and not link probited in relation of what those scenes were set up there and what those scenes represent...It was not a Carnival,..it is not a Bembe, it is not even one of those shows which used to be presented in those Casinos at that time,etc...there is nothing to say what that scene represent,(other than a satirical scene).Dr. Zaragemca
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