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Postby burke » Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:05 am

Respect JC,

Kinda making the same point ... but damm... I get the sense that "tapao/slap".... would not be a difficult problem for this dude and, if we take him at his word (40+ years playing the bongos) he may have got bored with that long ago and has since entertained himself with developing tabala like tricks I would kill for.

Would love to hear this guys story (dude if you are lurking please talk to us!).
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Postby guarachon63 » Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:42 am

Like the Freddie Hubbard Video above.. Ouch! But, hey, probably way less of the public knew of Cuban conga technique in the 80s - right?


*Ouch!* is right, that's gotta be Airto Moreira, a Brazilian who had a long career as a percussionist. Still does, I guess...
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Postby Tonio » Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:19 am

Airto was the man back in the day of fusion. The "madman".
PLayed with all the top dogs. Brazilian in nature, very expressionistic.

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Postby bdrbongo » Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:30 pm

Airto is what inspired me to play. His "out there" style is what drew me in. Even in the Brazillian stuff he plays it's a little out there. Totally fun to watch, I saw him play from about 5 feet away at the Sheldon Concert Hall in St. Louis...WOW!
I did that fringe coat he has on in the Hubbard vid, very hip for the day. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOLvjVYE8oo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ31rvJKMQ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6u1uETB520

This is what he is known for, not his Afro/Cuban technique. His use of traditional and "found" objects is great. He's a pretty bad a#@ kit drummer, too.
I get what Bongo is going for, and maybe Airto is what inspired him. It's not exactly what I would call "out there",...Dr. Z's posts, on the other hand.... ???
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Postby bongo » Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:18 pm

I call this rhythm the Elephant Beat. It reminds me of walking along a jungle trail. The beat is a simple foot vamp on bass djun and hollow log, with a three conga drum melody and improv on top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZF-p4Bhz4U
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Postby akdom » Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:14 pm

bongo wrote:I call this rhythm the Elephant Beat. It reminds me of walking along a jungle trail. The beat is a simple foot vamp on bass djun and hollow log, with a three conga drum melody and improv on top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZF-p4Bhz4U

I just wish that the guy knew how to play the congas...

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Postby bongo » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:40 pm

akdom wrote:
bongo wrote:I call this rhythm the Elephant Beat. It reminds me of walking along a jungle trail. The beat is a simple foot vamp on bass djun and hollow log, with a three conga drum melody and improv on top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZF-p4Bhz4U

I just wish that the guy knew how to play the congas...

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Boy, you are a tough one to please.
I think the elephant beat is beautiful myself.

No matter, what you say is not important to me.
I do my own thing, put another knot in the weave.

There is no one to teach what you must teach yourself.

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Postby bongosnotbombs » Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:32 am

I stumbled across this video of Los Munequitos, mostly dancing, but what I was
looking for were Moperc drums, Moperc sponsors Los Munequitos and in this video they are playing his congas...

The Salsa Club Series Congas is what they are playing, you can see the unusual sideplates and the yellow color, they sound pretty good, and hey if Los Munequitos are playing them they can't be bad!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxfHWlLZlew
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Postby Markie » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:10 am

Hi Bongo,
I think (and I believe that the majority of the board members would agree) your playing and creative skill (which personally I think is amazing), would be much better received on another forum which is specific to hybrid creative drumming styles. You see the majority of interest on this site is in the rich Afro-Cuban tradition, and not so much in the hybrid creative drumming style in which you excel in.
I am just saying this with respect to our forum and also with respect to your playing style.
Please tell me to butt out if anyone feels any different with my comment, I won’t get offended.
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Postby akdom » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:04 pm

I didn't want to offend anyone here... Just mentionning that with a 'real' conga touch, this would be amazing..

There is some serious work in that stuff. I's just that with a bit more technique it could sound much much better, I have the feeling that these congas need more work in order to get a sharp sound...

By the way, I was thinking about Guem when I listened to the beat..

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Postby bongo » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:24 pm

Here is a feet & hands thing, a fusion using rock & roll double bass technique.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcuAWPCE-8s
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Postby bongosnotbombs » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:14 am

Hey bongo,

Why don't you post a video of you playing just the congas? Without all that other stuff? See if you can improve the sound quality of the recording a bit......




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Postby onile » Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:39 am

Dude!
I've gotta say, watching you play your congas in the style that you do is as painful as watching someone play a stradivarius with rocks!

Papa! your lack of conga playing technique is painful to watch, it's almost as though you are autistic, in which case you are extremely talented in your world. I respect the fact that you have enough courage to put yourself out there for the percussion world, and all others to see, honest I do. Watching you flap your arms as though you are a baby bird trying to take flight would be a bit comical if you weren't trying so hard to make music.

I know I have the choice to watch it or not, that which you post on this forum, but obviously I've chose to watch it. I don't know if I'm more embarrassed for you as a result of each video you post or what, but I do know you are a brave soul to do so!

I'm sure that you are a great person with good intentions, and probably a better "kit" player than anything else. Please accept my apologies for anything in my post that may insult you, but I'm more apt to think that you are greater than that, otherwise you would have ceased doing so a while back.

As brother BNB suggested, why not try playing "just" congas, this way you might focus your energy on developing your conga playing technique!

Many blessings!

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Postby bongosnotbombs » Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:51 am

Fair enough for bongo, he's got those drums so far apart so he can work those pedals that normal technique might not work so well?

but it can't be healthy playing with all that tension in your shoulders either. Looks like your sitting really low to the congas because you need the length for the legs to reach the pedals.

There's probably a better arrangement where your technique could be more orthodox. Probably better for you back in the long run and better for getting the full sound from the Volcanoes.
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Postby CongaTick » Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:16 pm

Bongo,

Despite the reaction by some members of this forum, I must say that I appreciate and love some of your grooves. I --- as well as you--- accept that your technique is your own. I have always been open to anything which widens my percussive horizons, no matter how far afield it may be, and though I tend to focus my style on the perfection of more traditional strokes and patterns, I am forever exploring and absorbing bits and pieces from every style, every player, every piece of sage advice offered freely in this community of wise professionals.
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