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by **TresGolpes** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 4:19 am

What is your favorite group for Rumba and Santeria ?

Here is my list, the ** means a MUST for any rumberos music library

Rumba and Santeria CDs

See http://www.Descarga.com for each Artist(many CDs for each)
See http://www.orishaproductions.com for videos of Rumba and Bata

**Abilona Tambor Yoruba
Amura - Cantos Yoruba
**Francisco Aguabella - Bata y Bembe CDs
Ray Barreto - Que Viva la Musica
Candida Batista y sus Tambores Bata
**Cachao - Descarga series
**Carlos Embale
**Celeste Mendoza
Conjunto Fokklorico Nacional de Cuba
Cortijo y su Conjunto (Bomba/Plena)
**Conga Kings
**Cutumba
Despojo Santero
Grupo Experimental de Nueva York
**Grupo Afrocubano de Alberto Zayas
Farinas - Cajon De Muerto, Ecue
Grupo Chango Leye
**Los Papines - all of them
Jose Mangual (bongosero)
Milton Cardona - Bembe
**Mongo Santamaria - Yambu, Afro Roots, Drums + Chants
**Munequitos de Matanzas
**Patato, or Patato y Totico
Pello el AfroKan - Mozanbique
**Tata Guines - Aniversario, Pasaporte
**Tito Puente - Top Percussion
**Yoruba Andabo

Compilation CDs

**Grupo Afrocubano - Congas y comparsas
**Conga Desafora
**Carnavales Habaneros
**Deep Rumba
**Drum Jam
**House of Drums
**Rapsodia Rumbera
**Montvale Rumba
**Central Park Rumba - Eddie Bobe
**La Rumba de Cuba
**La Rumba Soy Yo
**Real Rumba from Cuba
**Tumi Cuba Classics volume 3 - Rumba

That is what I can come up for now, on the above groups, my all time favorites are: Patato y Totico and Afrocuba de Matanzas.

by **120decibels** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 1:23 pm

TresGolpes,

This is a great list. I have a lot of this stuff and I've added a bunch of these albums to my list of CDs to buy.

Thank you for this!

Zach

by **TresGolpes** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:06 pm

The list is endless...

By the way Lazaro Ros (the best santeria singer today) appears in many CDS above plus has his own set of CDS.

I also did not include the great Boricuan drummers, like Cortijo y su conjunto, los Hermanos Ayala.

I specifically did not include many great Latin Jazz and salsa albums since it will explode this list to an unmanageable size.

Have also been interested in the African roots of rumba, here is another list of artists, primarily from Nigerian and Ghana (that has Kpanlogo music which has a strong resemblance to the quinto style of playing that we hear today):

Mustapha Tettey Addy
Obo Addy
Aja Addy
Olatunji (Drums of Passion ***, More Drums of Passion ***, The Invocation)
Chief Ebenezer Obey
Sunny Ade (early 1990's)

Dudu Tucci (Brazilian) has a great set of quinto licks on weltwunder.com.
Global Drummer is another amazing album of Kpanlogo stuff.

The Africans have African Rumba as well, but it is primarily a sweet guitar based groove, very different from the Cuban Rumba.

by **Doctorumba** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 9:14 pm

Tres Golpes,
You forgot Justi Barreto Guaguanco 69.Includes "Campana Tin",one of the bet rumbas of all times.You also forgot New York Now and Arawe by Daniel Ponce.These feature Daniel and also Orlando Rios "Puntilla",one of the best rumberos in history. Cuidate, Dario.

by **TresGolpes** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 9:23 pm

Yes, I had the Guaganco 69, that is a classic...

There are a number of out of print vinyl records that I still have, for example

Afro Frenetic - Unbelievable album, one of the best of all time
Latino Voodoo - The cover in this album is hysterical: white guys with blackened faces, it has a bunch of old time Tumbaos including some from Eastern Cuba where there are Haitian influences
Just Like Magic - Patato and Tito Puente in this album, another unbelievable one
Carnavales de Cuba - Very old stuff
Cachao Descargas from the late 1950's. First appearance of a young Tata Guines, the story I heard that these sessions were done at 4 am, from the musicians belonging to different groups coming to the studio...some of these are in CDs now.
Cachao Dos is another fine one.

By the way, there are new CDs that just came out, one is a Palo Ceremony with Cajones and the other the 50 Anniversario of the Munequitos (the best of their albums in my opinion).

Now you got me thinking, got to go to the garage and see what I have stuffed in there.

Edited By TresGolpes on Mar. 07 2003 at 21:29

by **Raymond** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 12:15 am

Outstanding list. I have most of those records. They are "must" have.

Also, there is a good record by Anthony Carrillo which is also an excellent "rumba" record. (Forgot the name...I'll get it if I can find it my closet).

Saludos!

by **TresGolpes** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 4:57 pm

Don't have the record...Did an artist search in Descarga.com and found:

Mis Raices
CD (DRS DRMP2), Released 1997;
Song titles include:
Medley Bomba: Mamá Cuídame A Belén, Los Barrileros
Eva María
Rumba Callejera
Tierra Del Ritmo
Análisis
Roberto Rohena
Pájaro Santo
La Confianza
Timba Rap
Anthony's Solo
Conga Chévere Y Pai Sebastián
Musicians include:
Anthony Carrillo Leader, buleadores en timbas, cuas, maracas, campana, tumbadores, chekere, tres golpes, cascara, dialogue voice, udu-drum, bongo
Rafael Lopez Diaz Paipet Lead and background vocals
Noel Rosado Background vocals
Carlos Rodriguez Background vocals, tumbador, contracascara
Roberto "Bobby" Trinidad Background vocals
David Ortiz Quinto
Raul Maldonado Cascara
Roy Pérez Piano
Norberto Arroyo Fender bass
Felo Nuñez Background vocals
Pandero Seguidor Background vocals
Maria Del Carmen Rodriguez Lead vocal and duet
Category: Folkloric => Afro-Caribbean Folklore/Jazz

Thanks !

I am ordering this one today...

by **tamboricua** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 5:25 pm

Another must have Rumba recordings are:

Guaguancó Matancero Vol.1 and Vol. 2, also Cuban Classics "Rumba Abierta". All of them by the "original" cast members of Los Muñequitos de Matanzas.

Florencio Calle-Director
Esteban Lantri "Saldiguera"-Cantante
Virulilla-Cantante
Juan Mesa-Cantante
Ernesto Torriente-Salidor
Esteban "Cha-Chá" Vega-Tres Dos
Angel Pellado "Pelladito"-Quinto
Gregorio Diaz "Goyito"-Guagua

Saludos,

Jorge Ginorio

by **RitmoBoricua** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 5:39 pm

Hi, I like of course Los Munequitos Y Los Papines but also like the rumba recordings that were done in the states specially with that NYC twist. Talking about rumba recordings with Patato, Jerry Gonzalez, Milton Cardona, Julito Collazo etc.
Take Care

by **tamboricua** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 6:55 pm

Yes, Anthonny Carrillo's "Mis Raíces" is an excellent cd. It clearly documents that Anthonny is not just an excellent bongosero, but a true rumbero "en todo el sentido de la palabra". I was going thru the credits on the album. I know Carlitos Rodríguez is a great percussionist and sound engineer. He is listed playing "contracascara". This is a first for me. Can anyone on the forum enlight me on the "contracascara"? What it is? and where it is played?

Saludos,

Jorge Ginorio

Edited By tamboricua on Mar. 10 2003 at 19:55

by **JohnnyConga** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 3:47 pm

That's what I like about this forum even an "old timer" like myself learns things. Now what the #### is "contracascara" hahahaha....i know what it means but I have never heard the term used before either. I must still be out of the loop? Can anybody school me?.....Ya got me there!....At your Service.. JC JOHNNY CONGA...

by **TresGolpes** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 5:59 pm

Tried to make a Google search on "Contracascara" to see if I got lucky...nothing

Then did a Contra Cascara and all I got where contra indications if you take Cascara Sagrada and get sick...

My suspicion is this:

Timbero #1 plays the Cascara pattern
Timbero #2 plays a counter rhythm with the first Cascara and

Voila! you get Contra-esa-Cascara !

Now: if YOU ALL REALLY WANT TO KNOW, let's locate "Carlos Rodriguez" and ask him:

Remember what you were doing in the Raices album several years ago...What the #### was that ?

(He will not remember the ContraCascara, He'll probably reply: I think I had the palitos going like:

Takata, Takata, Ta-KA TA Tata

NO that was the first guy, Let me think, maybe it was ...)

by **RitmoBoricua** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 7:00 pm

Hi. I have never heard of it before. What about if you play the "cascara" against the clave feel kind of what a lot of the old timers in Puerto Rico refer to as "Contra-Tiempo". Here is what contratiempo means in spanish:

1. Alteración de la accentuación prevista de un compás. Acento en el tiempo débil y precedido de silencio.

???

by **tamboricua** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 8:50 pm

I know that Carlitos Rodríguez hangs a lot with Giovanni Hidalgo. So probably is one of those Giovanni inventions, that he shows in his "Mano a Mano" video, where he plays cáscara with one hand and with the other hand the cáscara displaced by an eight note or so. That's cool for practicing purposes, but in a "traditional rumba" I don't see the point.

Saludos,

Jorge Ginorio

by **benbaboon** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 6:06 am

lots of great recordings listed here... most I'm familiar with, but thanks for the few leads on those that I'm not.
One album that comes to mind as shouting "how the #### did I get skipped" is Virgilio Marti's album: Guaguanco.... Possibly the finest rumba recording out there (by my humble taste) featuring many of the great NY rumberos of the time (ie, puntilla, totico, j. gonzalez, etc).... awesome awesome album, unfortunately never rereleased on CD

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