Traditional Rhythms versus new Rhythms

[bongosnotbombs]

Anga Diaz, and Echu Mingua, nobody ever sounded like that before! and they never will

[JohnnyConga]

Here we go again!...Eliel Lazo "El Conguero"--the NEW kid on the block!....

Stone Alliance -1970's....

[Anonimo]

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[bongosnotbombs]

I am speaking more about the album and the great sound that was created in it more than about Anga himself, Cachaito, Magik Malik, the combination of DJ mixing with bata rhythms, etc etc. That is the sound I mean, "rumbadelica".

[niallgregory]

Anga Diaz, and Echu Mingua, nobody ever sounded like that before! and they never will

bongosnotbombs"
Anga was very good , but then you got Giovanni ,Richie Flores ,Cristian Rivera ,Rafael (Ralph) Martinez Jr and a few more that give Anga a run for the money if he was alive. You also had an excellent two conga player also died that what many are doing they did years ago Franky Malave the first guy to play with five drums then you have an other great Frankie Rodriguez these guys you had to here them there problem drugs got the best of them.

IMO angas album cannot be compared to anything giovanni has recorded as a solo album ! I love Giovanni and he is my all time favourite drummer of any kind , not just a conguero . But i dont like any of his solo albums , i think they are all quite bland and he plays it so safe its just boring to me , cheesy keyboard sounds and really clean production etc .His album hands of rhythm with Michael Camillo is the best work he has done imo . On the other hand the anga album is experimental , gritty and extremely adventurous ! His version of a love supreme with so many tuned congas is amazing ! RIP Anga .

[congamyk]

I am speaking more about the album and the great sound that was created in it more than about Anga himself, Cachaito, Magik Malik, the combination of DJ mixing with bata rhythms, etc etc. That is the sound I mean, "rumbadelica".

IMO angas album cannot be compared to anything giovanni has recorded as a solo album ! I love Giovanni and he is my all time favourite drummer of any kind , not just a conguero . But i dont like any of his solo albums , i think they are all quite bland and he plays it so safe its just boring to me , cheesy keyboard sounds and really clean production etc .His album hands of rhythm with Michael Camillo is the best work he has done imo . On the other hand the anga album is experimental , gritty and extremely adventurous ! His version of a love supreme with so many tuned congas is amazing ! RIP Anga .

You guys could not be more RIGHT ON! Why do I always find myself agreeing with you?
Some of us just see originality & musical creativity and some people just see things from the 1940s & 50s.
I mentioned in another thread that Pedrito is doing stuff NObody else does, some people got angry/jealous whatever.
And Anga is in that whole other class with Pedrito.
Stretching the music - opening it up, developing his own style and sound different from everyone else.

[Anonimo]

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[OLSONGO]

Let me throw some names into the equation , players and bands who have their own voice Iraquere, Afro Cuba ( mean horn sections) Gonzalo Rubalcaba, Omar Sosa, Ninety Miles, Carlinhos Brown, Pat Metheny, Weather Report with Jaco RIP, Chick Corea and various of his ensambles, Paco De Lucia and band.
Peace
olsongo

[congamyk]

Gio is inspiring & a great all-around percussionist, but Anga is was more inspiring and far more creative IMO.
Easily a tremendous rhythmic innovator and one of the all-time greats.

[bongosnotbombs]

Gio is inspiring & a great all-around percussionist, but Anga is was more inspiring and far more creative IMO.
Easily a tremendous rhythmic innovator and one of the all-time greats.

One may compare Gio to Anga as a conguero certainly, and perhaps Gio is on top, perhaps not. But as a musician and composer and arranger there is no comparison. Anga is clearly in a different league than Gio in my opinion.

[RitmoBoricua]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RhExaYc3Zk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkphbORHUso


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0bTJ1SITA0

Yeah Gio does not take chances. Never heard him playing with Mickey Hart group?
Take your pick I got my money on Gio. Both great talents and noticed what drums
the best play/ed. No $1000 dollar drum required to sound good and be a great player.

[Anonimo]

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[RitmoBoricua]

quote="leedy2"]Elite with guys like Giovanni ,David La Mole and a few other's that are great Showmen I will not even call them percussionist for this reason. And today Anga's showmanship has surpass there guys out there that are playing with Up 6 and 7 conga drums[/quote]

On the third link on my previous post looks like Gio is playing with 7 drums
like is nothing to him. Gio is drawing from beyond afro-cuban rhythms realm.
He is using lots of tabla techniques and I have never seen, ever, a conga player
with such independence. By the way he can play some mean bongo and
timbales too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLXZMoun164

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nzxKBnsKo0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2qFIPDiTSQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dap5jPolCE

[congamyk]

Gio is a fine percussionist, ever see the video with him playing with Steve Gadd?
Gadd is a like a deer in the headlights - Gio runs circles around him rhythmically.
I love watching Gio play in those contexts by himself or with one other person.
And he is a fine timbalero/bongocero with amazing independence.

But I find him musically uninspiring within a group context.
I've seen him play live on a few occasions and he didn't add anything to the overall musicality of the group's performance.
After you've seen him solo for 3 minutes once at a million miles an hour, it becomes almost boring to me after that.
His solos, while very fast and technical, don't really have a "groove' to them.
He inadvertantly changes tempo throughout the solo making the overall context less musical and all flash.
Richie Flores is even worse - never understood how anyone could even listen to that.
Check out the lack of musicality in this solo- it has no musicality or swing at all.

http://www.remo.com/portal/artists/5243 ... lores.html

The Cubans on the other hand take solos and "groove" to a whole new level.
They are indeed the innovators and masters of the conga drum and it's rhythms.
Now watch Luis Conte take soloing to a whole different level - swing - groove - soul.

http://www.remo.com/portal/artists/4285/Luis_Conte.html

[RitmoBoricua]

But I find him musically uninspiring within a group context.I've seen him play live on a few occasions and he didn't add anything to the overall musicality of the group's performance.After you've seen him solo for 3 minutes once at a million miles an hour, it becomes almost boring to me after that.His solos, while very fast and technical, don't really have a "groove' to them. He inadvertantly changes tempo throughout the solo making the overall context less musical and all flash. Richie Flores is even worse - never understood how anyone could even listen to that. Check out the lack of musicality in this solo- it has no musicality or swing at all.

Giovanni is not you tipical run off the mill player. Giovanni was playing that other stuff you are talking about since he was 10
or younger. The problem you never saw Gio with Eddie Palmieri, Tito Puente, Batacumbele etc back in the day.
You could go and ask the pro's what Gio brings to the table in the overall musicality of a groups peformance and I
bet you are not going to like what you hear from them.
Where do you think Gio cut his teeth?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOn0dNrTj4Y
thathttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2GJcFW9FRg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b17p91jLxF0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aejZL7IB5G8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de02O6cXDWY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StWIgNXy ... re=related
Basically he does not play more "tipico" because he can't it just that he does not want to.