by jorge » Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:46 pm
Do you mean the second stroke of the son clave? Seems to me that the third stroke of the son clave is where the bongo hembra or the conga tone go in son or salsa, ie, the 4th beat of the first 4/4 measure of the clave.
ie, in David's notation:
X..P..X...X.X...
The second stroke of the son (or rumba) clave is what some people call the bombo, that is where we generally hit the bass on the tres dos and/or tumbador in most rumbas. If I am understanding this correctly, this is what JayMacho is calling the ponche.
In some of the guarapachangueos I have heard (eg, some of the songs on Rapsodia Rumbera or Rumberos de Cuba: Habana de mi Corazon), the tumbador cajon is all about what Tone74 is calling the bombo (beat, not instrument). The tumbador cajon is accenting that beat on both measures of the clave, rather than playing the standard tumbador part for the guaguanco.
in David's notation, what he is calling tresillos:
X..P..X.X..P..X.
or
X..P..X.X..T..X.
where T is a tone on the cajon, P is a bass, . is a rest, and X is soft stroke with the right hand (for right handed player). The left hand is not shown.
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