Palm/Tip

[Firebrand]

Can someone on this forum actually demonstrate this technique and put it on YouTube? I've seen the "Hand Movements" clip with Changuito and Giovanni, but they're not hitting the edge of the drum. I'd like to see the actual "pull drag" motion.

C'mon friends...only take you a few minutes to record this simple technique for others to replicate. Take care!

[ABAKUA]

Can someone on this forum actually demonstrate this technique and put it on YouTube? I've seen the "Hand Movements" clip with Changuito and Giovanni, but they're not hitting the edge of the drum. I'd like to see the actual "pull drag" motion.

C'mon friends...only take you a few minutes to record this simple technique for others to replicate. Take care!

I will do a short clip of it and post it up for you tommorrow as Im on my way out to a gig in a few minutes.
I got the next 2 days off work so I can record and upload it for you.
I think you mean the basic mano secreta technique as seen in the above clip I posted, he (ANGA) does it at roughly 01:23 min into it.

It is basically the following 4 movements converted into 1 beat so to speak.

Right hand - Open Tone
Left hand - Heel + Tip
Right hand - Slap

With time you gradually build up the strength, clarity and speed.

[Firebrand]

much appreciated, Abakua. I will look at the Anga video again and look at 1:23 to see the hand motion, though he was playing so fast, that I couldn't decipher the correct motion at a slow speed.

I'm so impressed with David Mole, his "potritos" and Giovanni Hidalgo's technique. They have a finesse, ease, and clean sound to their playing, and I suspect this "mano secreta" technique has much to do with it. You can tell the difference between a "conguero del monton" and one that has the special knowledge of how to play the drum.

[burke]

Thanks all for this great, great topic.

I've been messing around with (what for me is) a whole new way to do HT and going back over and over to that Video clip.

"You use the "full flat hand" to achieve the bass around the edge. Making sure the base of the palm (part closer to your wrist) is resting flat on the edge of the drum. Kind of hard to explain in words. Best thing is to watch "Chango" demonstrate it on his video."

Jorge that really seems to sum it up.

I always did my HT closer in to mid drum and the H strike by raising my wrist slightly and hitting with the heel.

This dropping the whole hand thing feels odd but I can see the logic and the efficency. No problem just practicing the motion but overcoming musle memory and working in into tumao and all other patterns is a great new challenge.

Darrell

[burke]

Make that 'tumbao' not 'tumao'

[rumbaman]

how are you guys doing . this is a technique like jc mentioned that is mano secreta . i have been studing it with tomasito cruz . it takes practice but it opens a whole new world in the sense of applying rolls , but it takes alot of practice and exercises , because it does not feel natural , the heel of the palm pivots on the bearing edge of the drum .


good luck

rumbaman

[afrocubarico]

the heel of the palm pivots on the bearing edge of the drum .

rumbaman,
You hit it right on the nail my brother! I was discussing this move with La Mole over the phone and that is exactly how he described it. It is an awkward move to get used to at first but after practicing it slowly several hundred times and gradually building up speed this will elevate your rolls, doubles, etc., etc..

Just like rumbaman stated, the heel of your palm pivots on the bearing edge of the drum instead of at the center of the drum like most of us are used to doing.

afrocubarico

[Roka]

Just like rumbaman stated, the heel of your palm pivots on the bearing edge of the drum instead of at the center of the drum like most of us are used to doing.[/quote]
Does it mean you make open tone with the heel of the palm ?

[Firebrand]

yes...I second Roka's question...are we trying to get an open tone on the edge of the head, or are we trying to get a Palm/Bass tone? Are going for the "thud" or the "boom (open)" tone.

[JohnnyConga]

It's actually a "palm stroke" not a particular "sound" stroke".. . it's meant to develop playing off the bottem edge(near you) of the drum head. Johnny Conga. . .

[Firebrand]

So, it doesn't matter if it's a "thud" or an open tone that sounds...just as long as the Palm is consistently on the edge of the head.

I'm trying to get Eugenio to send me that DVD of Changuito explaining the Mano Secreta rudiments....I've got to speed up compiling my list of DVDs! Maybe tommorow I'll be done with the list.

[CongaTick]

Since this is somewhat related to "doubles", I was wondering wheher there is any personal preference for heel-tip vs mommy-daddy, and which do you find easier to master? (I realize each is different in execution and sound, yet the effort is to master an extremely rapid doubles effect.)

[Firebrand]

coming from the drumming world first, my technique is definitely 'mammy daddy", and i can play some pretty good rolls that way. The problem is that I feel stiff AND I cannot produce very much loudness that way. Watching Changuito, La Mole, Giovanni, and others do it the "mano secreta" way, I know that the "mammy daddy" approach doesn't work it's magic as it does on drums.

My 2 cents.

[JohnnyConga]

To do doubles u have to learn to do them from the "wrist" not using the arm, turning your hands into , drumsticks and "working for the bounce/retort" from the strokes. U can "stiff arm" them but it's very hard to do, that way. there are a few ways to play the doubles, but I would have to show that in person. . . Johnny Conga

[ABAKUA]

Can someone on this forum actually demonstrate this technique and put it on YouTube? I've seen the "Hand Movements" clip with Changuito and Giovanni, but they're not hitting the edge of the drum. I'd like to see the actual "pull drag" motion.

C'mon friends...only take you a few minutes to record this simple technique for others to replicate. Take care!

I will do a short clip of it and post it up for you tommorrow as Im on my way out to a gig in a few minutes.
I got the next 2 days off work so I can record and upload it for you.
I think you mean the basic mano secreta technique as seen in the above clip I posted, he (ANGA) does it at roughly 01:23 min into it.

It is basically the following 4 movements converted into 1 beat so to speak.

Right hand - Open Tone
Left hand - Heel + Tip
Right hand - Slap

With time you gradually build up the strength, clarity and speed.

My apologies for the delay, I been flat out with gigs and have been away from the computer.
Here are some quick vids I put together in between rehearsals yesterday and today...

The following is only the basic mano secreta fundamental movement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng4yOIrlvps

From another angle and using 2 drums:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qwAsaS5dCg



Here, the the same principal of the left hand formula can be adapted to some other feels including 6/8 for example..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiWHo0LcxX0

From another angle and using 2 drums:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr_VhzSotHI

I will try to post up some more exercises in the next few days that will help develop the movement.

Hope this has been of some help.