Congadelica wrote:the matrix of Rumba is illusive if you are trying to understand by just listening to recordings .
Marco
Quinto Governor II wrote: . . how rare is it to hear a recording that has the clave crossed in your experience, Another question is - do Cuban's - most or some refer to 2/3 and 3/2 based on the grouping of the 5 beats according to how they sound, as opposed to where the beats fall in a bar?
Congadelica wrote:I think you may be getting confused . it is not cruzao you are hearing improvisation of Tumba and quinto coversations . I recomend you study with someone who understands the Rumba , you will save time in the long run .
the matrix of Rumba is illusive if you are trying to understand by just listening to recordings .
Just my 2cents
Marco
JohnnyConga wrote:I agree with Congadelica...I will also tell you that they are playing Guaguanco in 3/2 clave ...and it's not cruzao...we have also kinda become what i like to call 'rumbasized' ..we just automatically can think that everything is in 3/2 'rumba clave'...so when we do hear an actual 3/2 Guaguanco, which is rare these days, it almost sounds 'cruzao' to us today...also on that recording and others sometimes the cat playing the clave wasn't part of the ensemble and was 'hangin' ...and sombody said play the claves!...but of course during a recording session when it was live like that, nobody really made any clave corrections ..they played thru it..Johnny Conga
windhorse wrote:Listening to the song now.. Yeah, it's that old style with the Havana style two note Tres Dos on the first two strokes of clave.
Quinto Governor II wrote:How does right one day become wrong the next?
This really doesn't help me appreciate the so-called rules of clave, if in fact thier are rules.
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