Danzón - Patterns for the tumbadoras

[dannydrumperc]

Hi guys! Long since last post.

I'm familiar with the "baqueteo" pattern for the timbales, but what should play the congero in a dazón? Something similar to what the timbalero plays, or there is/are specific pattern(s) for tumbadoras?

I know I have the newer version of an old conga book (don't remember the name) that must have something, but don't remember where I put it .

Advanced thanks,

Danny

[franc]

danny,
tell me what or how is the ''baqueteo pattern in timbales''??? i know the danzon pattern. i'm kind of confuse on the baqueteo in timbales. my best, franc

[Juzzi]

Hello Danny!

The traditional way of playing the danzon is:

ABAC form, later ABACD

A- Paseo (introduction), B- Flute melody, A repeat Paseo, C- String Trio. In the later version the D part (the Nuevo Ritmo) integrated elements of the Son and spawned the Mambo as well as developments of the Montuno section of arrangements and later the Cha-Cha-Cha.

In the traditional way of playing danzon doesn't include congas. In the later versions the congas come in in the Nuevo Ritmo part of the song playing versions of tumbaos. Of course you might hear people play the congas in other parts as well but they aren't usually playing any specific patterns. Sometimes you'll hear them imitating the Baqueteo. That's what I would do if I had to play congas in traditional danzon.

[ABAKUA]

As said, traditional danzon, there is no congas.
However, if your group plays a danzon, then there are simple tumbao like pattern you can play.

One of my bands plays a danzon if we have to do an early 'dinner' like or ambience set..

Counting in 4/4..
What I play is the normal tumbao (softly) but with only 1 open tone on beat 4. (Not 2 as in the regular tumbao ie beats 4, 4 and)
Beat 1 being the heel..Beat 4 is always played on the Tumba, not on the quinto or conga.
Also a small variation is playing the slap twice, so on beats "2 also 2 and" and accent with light slap also beat 'and 4' then the rest as per norm. I normally do a cycle of each.

Examples of this pattern can be seen on Giovanni Hidalgo's video "In the Tradition"



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[dannydrumperc]

danny,
tell me what or how is the ''baqueteo pattern in timbales''??? i know the danzon pattern. i'm kind of confuse on the baqueteo in timbales. my best, franc

Hi, Franc!

Baqueteo is the Cuban term for the sticking pattern used in the Danzón by the timbalero. The leading hand plays the head of the lower drum while the other lays over it playing cross-stick and serving to mute the head.

Don't you feel wierd talking to a Boricua brother in English?

Cuídese, mi pana!

[franc]

danny,
you sure clear thing up in my mind about the baqueteo. so that is the cuban term for the baqueteo!!!! very simple i might add. gracias,mi pana fuerte. si!!! se siente estraño charlar con un boricua en ingles. my best to you, luck and áche!!!!!! tu amigo, franc

[Isaac]

I usually lay out on the congas and switch to the guiro for the beginning of a Danzon (if no one else is already playing one).
It's a central instrument of Danzon.

~ ISAAC ~
funkytradition@yahoo.com

[dannydrumperc]

Thanks everybody!

So, there are no congas in the danzón, at least not traditionally. Then, what other instruments are played in a traditional danzón besides the timbales and guiro (as Isaac stated)?

[captainquinto]

Hello!

I'm still learning many of these terms myself and would like
to thank everyone on this forum for the HUGE amounts of information on just this one site!

According to descarga.com - The instrumentation which generally interprets this style is known as the charanga orchestra,
featuring strings and flute with a rhythm section. The later added "nuevo ritmo" added elements of the Cuban son, and established an open vamp
over which the flute, violin or piano would improvise.

Peace and Drums,
Darin

[ABAKUA]

From the booklet provided with Giovanni Hidalgo's "In the Tradition" video:
Music examples and arrangements by Giovanni Hidalgo.
Transcriptions and Analysis by Victor Rendon.
Distributed by Warner Bros. Publications
Copyright 1996 DCi Music Video Inc. a division of Warner Bros. Publications, Inc.

I took the following pics earlier to assist in this topic.



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[ABAKUA]

Continued from previous page....

Guiro



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[ABAKUA]

Cinquillo (timbales y guiro)

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[ABAKUA]

Baqueteo.

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[zaragemca]

Greeting, recognizing that the musical notation is not the blame of anyone in this forum,I have to point out that there is not Baqueteo Basico,( the Baqueteo is going to be in relation with the musical phrase of the song and style of the Timbalero,(which were always trying to impose their 'signature style'. I do understand the musical notation,but I don't see cause of those cinquillos being played in Timbales for the Danzon. Dr.Zaragemca



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[ABAKUA]

I don't see cause of those cinquillos being played in Timbales for the Danzon. Dr.Zaragemca

Quizas, no lo tendria que haber puesto, la parte del cinquillo es en relasion con el comienso del tema danzon "Almendra" como es tocado en el video por esos musicos..


Perhaps I shouldnt have posted the Cinquillo pic, the Cinquillo notation, is in reference to the beggining of the danzon song "Almendra" as played in the video by the musicians. It has a small section at the beginning.

From the notation in the booklet:

"The piece starts with an eight-bar introduction. As mentioned before, if you listen closely to the 5th and 6th and 7th bars, you will hear what is called a 'cinquillo' (a pattern of five notes) which is typical of danzon. The following (in relation to the pic of the cinquillo notations) are the 3 three bars as played on the band example. Notice that the guiro plays the same pattern witht he timbales."

Note: I have only posted the first half of the arrangement as it is played in danzon format, the second half or Seccion Montuno del Danzon, has not been posted.



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