Lp Classics vs Kaman Classics II

[bongosnotbombs]

I have two of those old school LP New Jersey fiberglass congas a black on and a white one.
One cool thing about them, they are really light and portable.
Two they are really strong.
Three they sound real good.

and Omelenko is right, I just saw an album with Ray Barretto with a set
of them.

I wish mine were as nice as Omelenkos, but they are used, my white one was $75. But on the plus side they are strong and beat up, so I never have to baby them.

[congamyk]

Congamyk, Aren't the rims on Classic II's the original comfort curve design? Fill me in if I'm missing something.

Yes, the rims ARE NOT THE SAME as the original classics. It's a new design that is junk. It isn't comfort at all.

The Matadors COST more...

Perhaps now, but some years ago, the Matadors were cheaper (and I don´t mean less good, congamyk :;):

That's the point of this whole thread. The "new" LP classics ARE NOT the same as the original classics, the new are a cheap copy. And these "new classics" are cheaper in price than Matadors which tells me the Matadors are better drums.

[OLSONGO]

Just a personal thing, the drum is of african origin; wood was the prefered material for its construction and still is, for it being so close to mother earth.
I remember a statement some one made that in the year
20, 500 paleontologist and anthropologist will dig up many things of plastic and will think that Ronald McDonald was a god. :laugh:

Paz Olsongo

[CongaTick]

I have a white LP (palisades) tumba bought in 1974 that owns the space to the left of my Ardiente quinto and conga. With a JCR mule head on it, and its lightweight, gig-scarred fiber glass shell, it may very well be the first thing I grab in case of fire.

[CongaTick]

Oslongo,

Don't upset my world! Are you telling me Ronald....is not a god??? ??? ???

[bongosnotbombs]

Just a personal thing, the drum is of african origin; wood was the prefered material for its construction and still is, for it being so close to mother earth.
I remember a statement some one made that in the year
20, 500 paleontologist and anthropologist will dig up many things of plastic and will think that Ronald McDonald was a god. :laugh:

Paz Olsongo

Ironically, the staved drum, the conga we know today, was permitted to be played by cuban slaves specifically because the argument could be made that is was not an african drum due to its very construction.
African drums are made from solid wood, typically, a drum made of staves was seen as not being african so it was permitted.
necessity is the mother of invention eh?



Edited By bongosnotbombs on 1187455294

[pcastag]

Really? I've never heard of that before. Where did you rea dthat? I always just assumed that they had plenty of barrels in the caribbean due to the prolific consumtion of rum and commerce during the slave trade. I know in Cuba they shaved down the slats to make conga, but I always assumed that's just because that was what was available.
PC

[bongosnotbombs]

Nolan Wardens History of the Conga Drum, pg 11. Where he is paraphrasing the work of Fernando Ortiz.

CONSTRUCTION AND
MODERNIZATION
The first, and most important,
change in Afro-Cuban drum con-
struction that led to the develop-
ment of the tumbadora was the use
of stave construction, similar to the
way barrels are made. This change,
according to Ortiz, was an adapta-
tion to distinguish these drums
from their African counterparts.
During Spanish colonial rule in
Cuba (and during the U.S. military
occupation of Cuba from 1898 to
1902) African drums were often
banned. However, since these
drums were no longer carved from
a single piece of wood, they were
not considered completely African.
This change was an act of survival
that allowed blacks to continue
playing these drums with less
persecution. The drums main-
tained, however, their African
shape, sound, and tuning method.

http://www.nolanwarden.com/Conga_Drum_History(Warden).pdf