skin and head suggestions

[Anonimo]

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[niallgregory]

Im very happy to take advice from people with experience , after all its the only way we learn new things and how to get better at what we do . Think its something that everyone on internet forums should be capable of tbh . You need to read other peoples opinions and maybe take them on board with your own , this way we can continue to debate and share knowledge with this great forum . Not sure if english is your first language ? maybe thats why things come across strange some times .

[RitmoBoricua]

I will report back on the horse hide when I mount them. Water Buffalo heads were not part of the afro-caribbean tradition but they are everywhere now. I bet way back when some of them drums before they came to the Americas from Africa did not have goat, calf or mule skin on them. They used what was available same thing happened when the slaves arrived to the Americas they used the materials that were available to them not the same materials they had in Africa. But that did not stop them from making and playing drums. They kept moving forward, evolution and revolution and yet here we are today still drumming. Who knows next time I am really going old school and order me some Elephant Hide for my tumbadora and some Zebra skin for my Quinto, yeah that's the ticket to obtain that old school african sound.

[Mike]

Who knows next time I am really going old school and order me some Elephant Hide for my tumbadora and some Zebra skin for my Quinto, yeah that's the ticket to obtain that old school african sound.

I have seen (and heard) a kpanlogo,
an ancestor of the conga, with antilope skin
which sounded incredibly good.

[Anonimo]

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[Thomas Altmann]

... a kpanlogo, an ancestor of the conga ...

@Mike: Just a little remark at the side: Kpanlogo is a relatively young style (rhythm/dance/drum). I cannot be an ancestor of the conga drum, although Africa has a galore of drums of a similar phenomenology, to which your statement might apply - in the broadest sense. You don't need to go further back than to the Cuban Makuta drums and Palo drums (ngoma) of Congolese origin, or the bonkó enchemiyá of the Abakuá Carabalí.

Sorry for going off-topic.

Thomas

[bongosnotbombs]

I've used goat on my Meinl Woodcraft bongos. They sound incredible for the macho, not so good for the hembra.

The local music store sells them for $17, I assume for middle eastern drums mainly, like the dumbek.

Anyways, in my experience the goat skins don't last as long, maybe 1 year tops. I actually put a dent in the macho skin from my thumb doing the manoteo on it. Two others split on me, one while tuning. I use cow and mule now, but the goat was a nice sound, sharper.

This picture has goat on both drums, before I switched the hembra.

[niallgregory]

Im very happy to take advice from people with experience , after all its the only way we learn new things and how to get better at what we do . Think its something that everyone on internet forums should be capable of tbh . You need to read other peoples opinions and maybe take them on board with your own , this way we can continue to debate and share knowledge with this great forum . Not sure if english is your first language ? maybe thats why things come across strange some times .

niallgregory nothing else to say,enjoy the experience you are getting here. If I read every thing that people put on here I go nuts many don't know of what they talk about or better put ,do not bring it across to under stand them.that why I respone in manner that I do.

No problem man . enjoy

[Mike]

@Mike: Just a little remark at the side: Kpanlogo is a relatively young style (rhythm/dance/drum). I cannot be an ancestor of the conga drum, although Africa has a galore of drums of a similar phenomenology, to which your statement might apply - in the broadest sense. /quote]
Alright, no prob, I am not really an expert on African drums at all nor of the Cuban folkloric predecessors of the present-day tumbadora.

I've used goat on my Meinl Woodcraft bongos. They sound incredible for the macho, not so good for the hembra. (...)
Anyways, in my experience the goat skins don't last as long, maybe 1 year tops. I actually put a dent in the macho skin from my thumb doing the manoteo on it. Two others split on me, one while tuning. I use cow and mule now, but the goat was a nice sound, sharper.

Yes, that is why I bought it, for the simple reason to have a sound different to mule or cow skin
Nice Woodcraft bongó by the way.

[bongosnotbombs]

Nice Woodcraft bongó by the way.

Thanks. It was a very very nice drum. My first good bongo. The 9" hembra and the freeride system made it too wide for me to hold comfortably, so I replaced it.

[RitmoBoricua]

I have had goat skin on some of my bongo sets for years now and never had any problems with them. I think the goat skins for middle eastern drums is a little too thin for bongos; of course if you use those for bongos they won't last. The ones on my bongo sets have regular bongo head thickness and I think they came from Dominican Republic.

[amaxs81]

amaxs81
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niallgregory
Ok guys
This is a very good topic and I don't want you to fell offended by what I say or by way I put it but in the 30's,40's there were drummers ,timbales players, conga and bongo players. All drummers of that era on there drum had to use calf heads there was no plactic heads there was no Remo heads. Heads were on all drums calf on top some had pig skins on bottom specially tom tomsof drum set's.You had back then rock groups same as today the differance bettween calf head's and plastic is ,that plastic you do not have to tune the come pretuned.Today 2 out of 100 do know how to tune a set of timbales with calf skin the rest do not know of it . In the fiftys when revolution started of big band's drummer broke more heads due to that they were working more ,more night clubs. The heads issue was saved by Remo D. Belli another drummer with same problem every body had head's braking and tunning problem.And today it's a big business yet in many recordings today many of the drummer's and some older timbales playes use calf heads as preferance . why? it does not ring .In night clubs you don't see as much and reason is people smoking ,weather condition A/C , excecive heating all of this affects calf skins not projection.If you put calf skin on a timbales the cascara sound changes this is what make it dry not plastic heads any timbales with plastic even the best Leedy will ring .Not to offen you or others when you are experimenting whit sound it a different ball game when you want to sit and really play proper these skins are very important to sound same on another issue cowbells . Have you every heard a band's that timbales and bongo player's cowbell's sound like a bunch of tin cans with no veriation that the same with drums tunning and improper playing. In today music world it not about what you are play but people should consentrate in it more playing proper develop technics proper tumbos and skins make a differnce you will here proper tones horse skins other skin that are not made for this will just create head aces in long run damage you drum and hurt you hands .

Thickness of a goat skin 6-8 sheets is pretty good for a bongos

MIke did a great job and I bet he has a great sound from thet goat skin.

Hi Leedy. Don't worry, no offense was taken.

I understand where you are coming from. I agree, many players today choose to ignore the patience and persistance required to not only develop the proper playing technique, but the proper care and maintenance of the instrument to facilitate their playing. Understanding how and why players choose certain types of equipment and or products is something I endeaver to learn. It can do nothing more than help me become a better playre.That being said, I would like to try calf skins on my own personal timbal. Do you have any recommendations for a source to buy them? I'm not sure how mounting them would work either. I would assume you would mount them similar to how one would mount skins on a conga?

[Anonimo]

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[amaxs81]

amaxs81
All depends on what kind of timbales you have if it an LP you must buy premounted heads you can get from a compay name stern tanning they have mounted heads for 14/15's If you have a vintage timbale that you can rap on rim it a bit different not same as mounting a cong or bongo head so if not sure ask I will be happy to help you.There so when buying skin must be flat and for a 13 need 20'' 14 needs 22 and so on for rapping on rims so keep that in mined

Hmmmm...Thanks Leedy. I'll see if I can contact Stern Tanning. My timbales are the newer model JCR, they may probably be similar to the LP's in terms of needing premounted heads.